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you know, I’m begining to think this whole “readiness” idea is completely arbitrary. The same people who today complain about linux’s supposed difficulty, were just fine using their home micro-computer in the 80’s. If you ask me, the only people who are defining what “ready” means, is Microsoft’s marketing department.
But it’s not ready because insert niche use case that only applies to me and no, I will not seek out open source alternatives to insert closed source software
Yes, that’s exactly me. I need to use creative cloud for the company where I work. If I deviate it fucks everyone and the entire workflow. But I don’t really think CC is niche. The moment they support linux, I’m switching
Tbf (and you seem to already be aware of this) that’s not really an issue with Linux. Lots of software devs don’t care about supporting Linux sadly.
Like he said its not lacking on anything is just that you cant use your needed program. And its fine to stay on windows.
It like the endless and useless fight between Android and iOS fan boys, it’s much simpler than that, you use what you like/comfortable with, you don’t need to convince anyone how right you are and how wrong they are, never really understood this weird behaviour from supposedly well educated people. You enjoy Linux, good for you , you like windows, kodus, you’re mac person have at it .
You don’t see how terrible Windows is until you’ve switched to another OS and need to interact with it again.
The constant pop-ups, the ads everywhere, the settings hidden away.
It really feels like your PC isn’t yours.
I hate to be one of the “Linux isn’t ready” people, but I have to agree. I love Linux and have been using it for the last 15 years. I work in IT and am a Windows and Linux sysadmin. My wife wanted to build a new gaming PC and I convinced her to go with Linux since she really only wanted it for single player games. Brand new build, first time installing an OS (chose Bazzite since it was supposed to be the gaming distro that “just works”). First thing I did was install a few apps from the built in App Store and none of them would launch. Clicking “Launch” from the GUI app installer did nothing, and they didn’t show up in the application launcher either. I spent several hours trying to figure out what was wrong before giving up and opening an issue on GitHub. It was an upstream issue that they fixed with an update.
When I had these issues, the first thing my wife suggested was installing Windows because she was afraid she may run into more issues later on and it “just works”. If I had never used Linux and didn’t work in IT and decided to give it a try because all the cool people on Lemmy said it was ready for prime time, and this was the first issue I ran into, I would go back to Windows and this would sour my view of Linux for years to come.
I still love Linux and will continue to recommend moving away from Windows to my friends, but basic stuff like this makes it really hard to recommend.
Alright, I have shared my unpopular opinions on Lemmy, I’m ready for my downvotes.
I’ve been using Linux for over thirty years and the nice looking App Stores that have appeared those last few years have always been shit and have always been mostly broken in various ways. I don’t know why.
On the other hand, the ugly frontends to the package manager just work.
I agree with you, lemmings and the Linux community as a whole has the incredible lack of ability to put themselves in the shoes of a technologically less literate “normal” person and see that Linux is not exactly ready for mainstream
That being said, tour first fuck up was not going with EndeavorOS the actual distro that’s for gamers (or anyone) that just works.
It’s based on arch btw
I get it. Working in IT and doing this stuff all the time and being surrounded by other technical people really disconnects you from the knowledge of the average user. I’ve worked in IT for over 10 years now, and I am always overestimating how much technical knowledge the average user has. Luckily I don’t have to talk to end users anymore, but even when helping friends and family with things, stuff that I think is common knowledge isn’t common among less tech-savvy people. I still struggle with this, and suspect I will for a very long time.
I’ve heard of Endeavor before as well. May give it a try, but then I feel like I would be one of the distro-hoppers I always see out there. I just crave stability.
Choosing Bazzite was a big mistake, you could’ve gone for NobaraOS or PopOS
I’m used to the CLI world of Linux. I wanted something for my non-technical wife that would “just work”. I’ve heard good things online about Bazzite and how it already has everything installed (Steam, Wine, Proton, graphics drivers, all that) and I didn’t want to mess with installing any of that stuff by hand. Idk, maybe it’s my fault for expecting a distro to have basic functionally out of the box.
I think blaming me for choosing a distro based on what it says it’s supposed to do is a bit silly. Sure, I could have installed any distro and worked to install and maintain everything by hand, but that’s not what I was looking for. I don’t want to play tech support every week when something breaks and spend hours trying to fix it when my wife just wants to play a game. If you enjoy that, great, more power to you. Sorry for not choosing your favorite distro, I guess.
It’s not my favorite distro, the maintainer of Proton-GE created NobaraOS
People who are like this today, tried to install red hat 5/6 using popular mechanics magazine as an instruction booklet and with floppy disks
Either that or they tried to install Open BSD once and survived: https://xkcd.com/349/
By all standards, a completely understandable outcome
Let’s be real. Most people can’t really use Windows, either. Anything harder than clicking the Chrome icon is beyond most users.
The main problem still is that for some configuration you still need to use the CLI, the average user does not want to touch that no matter how powerful it is, they want a fully functional GUI that lets you so exactly the same thing but by clicking on buttons. Pair that with drivers that either do not exist or will not work for (some) of your hardware, odd crashed like the Bluetooth stack crapping out and not working anymore until you restart the system, or the system that hangs from hibernation with a black screen. So unless those hurdles are tackled the Linux adoption rate will stay low because the average user wants a system that works, and not one they have to debug.
I’ve been on and off different distros of Linux since Ubuntu 6 using Pop_OS! as my daily driver for work a few years now, and the same problems I had then are still here today which is a shame honestly.
the average user does not want
The average user wants their problem gone. And will use whatever helps. Windows users were editing register and editing ini files since Windows was an addon to DOS, and continue doing it. For a literate person there is absolutely nothing more inheritly more intuitive or easy in clicking a checkbox in a fifth submenu than entering a command in a console. Stop perpetuating this weird myth.
It’s not a myth though. How do you know what to type in a CLI? You either google it or you read the man pages and god help you if you have to do that because they are not noob accessible documents. What do you do in a GUi? You either google it or you read plain words that are low in technical information on the screen in the menu labeled after what you want to change. GUIs exist for a reason. They brought in the masses for a reason. Pretending that they aren’t easier is a demonstrably wrong position.
How do you know what to type in a CLI
The same way you know where the setting you’re after located. As my little experiment showed it’s not obvious if your problem isn’t trivial. And if it’s trivial, you can be sure it’s trivial on every modern OS.
If you spend a fraction of time you spent learning your GUI on learning the set of commands you have, it will be very easy for you. There is autocomplete and there are various helps, and there are conventions a lot of the software follows. If you’re literate, it’s fine.It’s funny you listing out that experiment, because that’s more akin to the bullshit I run into with Linux when I need to fix some weird ass quirk. Tons if incorrect or outdated information, and forum assholes calling people idiots for not knowing and refusing to help or being autistically pedantic because you misspelled something. Support on either platform is a garbage experience. I haven’t denied that at all.
It’s a curse of the tech world. There are always some bullshit problems, there is always the need for tuning, tinkering, and generally fucking around with your system. No matter the OS, you will encounter some non-trivial problem at some point, that’s just the price of complexity. At least Linux is made for that and is opensource.
GUIs exist for a reason.
What is that reason? To obfuscate what is really happening? To make it difficult to support a computer because it takes 20 pages of pictures and a flow chart to explain something when a person could just copy paste a single line? I don’t buy that gui’s are easier or intuitive, or all that useful every time.
I don’t see any difference
googlingusing a decent search engine for one over the other.And lets not forget that windows is a confusing mess of self help support pages and command line entries for almost everything that goes wrong.
You can definitely have your opinion. But seeing how so many people have a hard time switching to Linux because of this particular issue, I’d say your position on the subject is quesionable. There are hordes more people on Windows and Mac because they made things easier through accessible software. A large part of that was the GUI.
There are hordes more people on Windows and Mac
Because it came with their computer. I have not used a command line at all on two laptops over the past year. It is the exception not the rule these days.
However I have had to use the command line many, many times with Windows. Which is fine, it is MUCH easier to do this “Set-ExecutionPolicy -Scope CurrentUser -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted” instead of trying to find the gui to deal with it.
That example just proves my point further. No average joe is going to alter the execution policy because they aren’t running unsigned powershell scripts. They just want their applications to install and work. They don’t want to debug shit. You being fine doing all that is great but other people don’t want to mess with it and won’t.
Half the time instead of downloading and running an executable that works with nearly all versions of their OS, they have to figure out which os flavor they have since it’s not just “Linux” it’s Debian, Red Hat, Arch, Kali, Suse, CentOS, Mint, Pop, Ubuntu, etc. and then does it need to be compatible with gnome or kde or something else, then is the configuration even a supported option, oh wait it only supports versions newer than 5 years where anything older will fail, or only till 5 years ago and anything newer will fail. Or the one project that solved the issue stopped developing it 10 years prior and no longer works. Or there just plain isn’t a native app so now you have to try and find an alternative way to connect to a service you pay for that has an equivalent feature set and price.
Linux is a fractured mess overall. It is not user friendly. It is not out of the box ready. It’s a great option for someone technical that wants to type shit in a terminal. And it’s a bad option for anyone that doesn’t want to figure out what the magic words are that took the place of their double click.
My example wasn’t literal, I have had to do similar things for drivers, sound, USB, search etc. And windows support is just randos telling you what they think might work.
As to your second point, the sane applies as windows is a collection of who knows that the hell software and random hardware. Which hardware? What driver? What vendor?
I don’t know if I agree with entirely. A good UI lets you configure your system without knowing much about it. E.g. if you want to change Ubuntu’s Wi-Fi power save setting you edit a hidden text file (I don’t remember where it is off of the top of my head.) I didn’t even know that this file existed without a helpful AskUbuntu thread and that editing it would greatly speed up my connection. If a UI option existed, I would probably have found it while poking around the network settings screen.
That’s what a good UI does: it lets you mess with your system without need for a help forum or leafing through documentation. You can look at where settings are supposed to be, find what you’re looking for, and even explore new settings that you don’t know about.
Oh hey, let’s run an experiment then. I’m not a Windows poweruser, but I have an access to it. Let’s see, in almost real time, how long it will take me to find how to change Wi-Fi power save setting (I don’t know what it is, so very fair this way).
Well, it’s a setting, so let’s go where settings are. I go to a big menu, find settings in it, assume wifi is in network settings, go there, find wifi setting. Read through all the menus. Nothing. I’m 5 menus deep, and there is “more adapter options button”. It asks an admin password, so let’s give it to it. Completely different window opens, one that I saw all those years ago in Windows XP. It’s called wifi 3 properties. It doesn’t render properly on my monitor, the text is blurry, but we’re not in “googling shit” territory yet so I power through. (later I found out that it’s normal, this menu was constructed when 640x480 was considered high def resolution, and it struggles with modern screens). In this menu there is 12 rows of something, I don’t know what QoS Packet Scheduler means or what Client For Windows does. Let’s press configure on this one. That menu closes, it asks ominous question, and new one opens. It assures me that the device is working properly, and in advanced tab there is 24 different settings I can change. Settings like “Fat Channel Intollerant” (It is disabled. I don’t know if it’s good or bad), or Human Presence Detection (it’s auto. I assume it’s something related to the upcoming robot uprising). There is no help, there is no explanation, I lost count how deep I am, it’s more than 10. I’m like half an hour in, probably. I checked all the available settings. I forgot what I’m looking for and had to re-read your comment to remind myself. But at least I don’t have to edit a text file, amirite?
Ok, fuck it, let’s google. First link.- Right-click the. …
- Select Power Options.
- Select Additional power settings.
I cry for a minute, click the link, the list isn’t there. I still don’t know what to click, and the link is about Intel. Is my wifi adapter made by intel? Do I need to know it? Let’s google further.
Stack overflow.Start > Search > Device Manager > Networks Adapters > Double Click yours > Power Management Tab > uncheck: Turn this device off to save power
Click yours. So I do need to know it. OK, let’s do that. I should’ve guessed that you don’t find setting in settings, it’s intuitive after all.
It looks like one of the menus that I saw already, but it’s not, it’s different one. It once again assures me that the device is working properly. There is no settings. There is no Power Management Tab. Let’s google that then.
Mycrosoft forums.Why is the power management tab missing?
Good day! I’m John Dev a Windows user like you and I’ll be happy to assist you today. I know this has been difficult for you, Rest assured, I’m going to do my best to help you. When was the last time it worked properly?
Please check and try Rbotero’s solution in the older thread in the link below if it helps. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/for…
Kindly let me know if this helps or if you have any further concerns.
Hi, I’m Robinson, an Independent Advisor and a Windows user like you. Install the latest driver 22.20.0 released yesterday. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/130293
Note: This is a non-Microsoft website. The page appears to be providing accurate, safe information. Watch out for ads on the site that may advertise products frequently classified as a PUP (Potentially Unwanted Products).
Well, the answer is 4 years old. My drivers are up to date, so that doesn’t help. Let’s dig further. Another post on the Microsoft forums.
Another post said to go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power in regedit, where I had to create a new DWORD called CsEnabled and set the value to 0, and restart, but that did not work. How do I fix this?
Damn, I am sure glad I don’t have to edit any text files, that would be unintuitive as fuck. Anyway, let’s open regedit and create some new DWORDs, shall we? That would not be a problem, regedit is easy and intuitive program that allows very easy way to intuitively do anything.
Anyway, it didn’t help. Turns out it stopped helping at some point. Further in the Microsoft forums people offering helping powershell scripts that I need to run in Elevated Powershell to do…something, I assume? It changes some register keys, it’s not obvious what.At this point, I give up. I am easily hour in, I don’t know how to change wifi power safe setting in Windows, and I am afraid I will never know. Sure glad I didn’t have to edit one symbol in a text file the name of which is easily googlable.
Well the comparison I’d draw is not even needing to worry about that kind of thing on Windows. I went from getting about 200 to 300 Mbps on Windows without doing anything besides connecting to a network to getting 10 to 30 Mbps on Pop!_OS and Linux Mint (Before fixing this issue.)
The strength of Windows is not easy access to more settings (especially after they split the setting between the new settings app and the old control panel), it’s not needing to access most of them in the first place. That will vary between users and use cases of course. Some people moved to Linux well before the enshittificafion of Windows got really bad because it suits their needs better.
Well, that’s moving the goalpost, isn’t it? We started with “Linux bad because reading hard” and “Windows good because mouse click boxes easy” and now we’re in “windows is just works, no need to change anything”.
Well guess what, this is also not true, you do constantly need to fiddle with Windows, it’s just sometimes you can’t edit what you need, and you’re out of luck.
It’s not a weird myth, have you ever worked with average users? Some of them have trouble opening a PDF or don’t know how to import a CVS file in Excel. Power users have always been tinkering in their OS that’s nothing new, but I’m talking about the average Joe.
People you described don’t have better or worse time with different types of user interfaces, it’s all incomprehensible to them. Average Joe with zero skills can’t check boxes in some weird menus, just as they can’t write text in a weird black box. We’re talking about people who are at least a little curious about their OS.
Tried it again a few months ago when HDR support first dropped in KDE. It didn’t work at all. Everything was desaturated and dim. Literally the opposite of what HDR is supposed to do.
I’m giving it another year before I try Linux again. Hopefully the bugs are sorted by then.
Ok, I’ll bite. I tried Ubuntu a few months ago. Logging into Eduroam was a bit of a process, but eventually I figured it out and it worked. Then one day the internet didn’t work and I had no idea why. Something to do with the network drivers. Then I was trying to use OpenOffice (or LibreOffice? The one that came with the OS), and I use Zotero for references. The Zotero plugin had a bunch of glitches that made me not trust it. The Internet (back on Windows) assured me that it worked fine, but it was way glitchier than the Windows version.
The bottom line is that I just need this stuff to work because I don’t have time to debug. I love the idea though; maybe I was using the wrong distro.
I’ve heard of issues connecting to Eduroam a few times on Linux, but I just don’t get it.
I’m on Debian with KDE Plasma, and it was very much plug-and-play when connecting to Eduroam. What issues did you have?
I had this issue, using pop. It just would not connect without specifying some parameters (I can’t remember which, domain or something and a few others). I had the same problem on Android, with the same solution.
Ah yeah, that’s just what you need to do to connect to Eduroam on anything, since you need to authenticate via your institution.
On windows, I only had to enter username and password.
And was your username <name/ID>@<domain>?
Because that’s the same thing as entering the name/ID and domain separately. It’s just put into a different field.
Bazzite is your answer in most cases imo. It’s the most functional distro Ive ever used
I love how you’re getting downvoted. Kind of says it all
My assumption for the downvotes is that it’s a pretty new (~1 year) and niche (gaming-oriented) distro, and largely irrelevant to your issue.
I don’t understand how it’s irrelevant? The drivers work great and it’s a solid distro that doesn’t have the issues of package updates breaking your pc without a way back easily.
To me it fixed every issue that I had with Ubuntu /shrug
They can downvote if they want, it’s just internet points. I still recommend bazzite
I guess that info not having been explained earlier maybe? I’d never even heard of Bazzite, and I’ve recently been looking up what new distro options are out there.
Fwiw bazzite itself is new but it’s just built on top of Fedora and is really stable. I have only had one issue with kernel panic on boot but rolling back was as easy as picking my version before the last update. Was fixed in less than a day
Yeah I did see that after looking into it. It’s definitely on my growing list of distros to check out now, so thanks for putting it on my radar.
If you want to see what linux was like 15 years ago try installing OpenBSD lol
Ah, a fellow shark survivor and a man of culture I see
So, which distro is the ready one?
They’re all fine, but Hannah Montana Linux is the best.
Linux mint
I’m obviously going to be downvoted for this, but the second you ask me to use the terminal is the second the OS is not ready.
Last week I reinstalled Windows after trying MintOS. I have a 54" Ultrawide screen monitor and I wanted the windows to snap in 3 sections.
I spent a few hours in terminal trying to install something after trying everything in flatpak. Windows 11 split screens out of the box. It can even tile. You can even use hotkeys to snap left and right.
In order for normies like me to switch, you have to make the OS at as easy to use as Windows. Don’t make us use terminal like I’m on DOS.
I’m obviously going to be downvoted for this, but the second you ask me to use the terminal is the second the OS is not ready.
Well then I suppose Windows is not ready if every update you need to run a PowerShell script to debloat and disable telemetry.
I spent a few hours in terminal trying to install something after trying everything in flatpak.
And you didn’t consider to use the graphical package manager which can do the same thing?
Windows 11 split screens out of the box. It can even tile. You can even use hotkeys to snap left and right.
So can I, on KDE Plasma. Admittedly, I don’t know what the situation on Cinnamon is.
In order for normies like me to switch, you have to make the OS at as easy to use as Windows.
For non power user use-cases it is absolutely possible to use as easily as Windows.
Respectfully, please dont spread misinformation about what Linux is and is not capable of.
The mass majority of normies don’t need to run PowerShell or debloat. A even bigger mass of people have no clue what telemetry is to even disable it. I think before we both disagree with each other, we should agree with one thing. Regular, non tinkerers people, normies have different needs, none of which Linux has a advantage on.
Can KDE snap to 3 screens evenly? Or4? Or 1/4, 1/2, 1/4? Because Win11 does it out of the box.
KDE Snapping left and right is nice. Windows 7 has this feature. Maybe even Win98.
I started with the GUI flatpak interface first and after those apps didn’t work, I went to google/forums. At the end of the day, I still didn’t accomplish a simple task Win11 has out of the box.
You saying I’m spreading misinformation implies you don’t acknowledge my frustrations and grievances. This is perfectly fine if we all acknowledge that Linux is not made for regular people and memes like this is actually harmful to your community. If someone has a misconception that Linux is now equal in feature sets and usability, this user is going to not try again for another 15 years.
Regular, non tinkerers people, normies have different needs, none of which Linux has a advantage on.
Speed, privacy, old hardware support, benefits from community modifications (gaming performance kernels etc).
Can KDE snap to 3 screens evenly? Or4? Or 1/4, 1/2, 1/4? Because Win11 does it out of the box.
Yes
I started with the GUI flatpak interface first and after those apps didn’t work, I went to google/forums. At the end of the day, I still didn’t accomplish a simple task Win11 has out of the box.
I still dont understand what you were trying to achieve that you couldn’t have done, at worst, in Synaptic package manager (a GUI program).
You saying I’m spreading misinformation implies you don’t acknowledge my frustrations and grievances.
I don’t mean to say you’re doing it intentionally, just that when you state Linux can’t do these things it’s not exactly correct.
Regular, non tinkerers people, normies have different needs, none of which Linux has a advantage on.
Speed, privacy, old hardware support, benefits from community modifications (gaming performance kernels etc).
Speed is relative to the task. On my window’s machine, I’m running a 7 year old gaming computer and never thought that my computer is super slow. Also, after installing Mint on it, the speed is barely noticeable at best.
Old hardware support? Shoot, Mint could barely get new hardware working properly. I had trouble with both my nvidia card and my logitech steering wheel working correctly. I eventually got the Nvidia card working using chatgpt. It took me a few days, but the steering wheel finally started working after reinstalling Windows.
Also, as far as gaming is concerned. You performance might see a few fps faster on Linux on some games, but if you enjoy games like Rocket League or Fortnite or many multiplayer games, it flat out doesn’t work.
Can KDE snap to 3 screens evenly? Or4? Or 1/4, 1/2, 1/4? Because Win11 does it out of the box.
Yes
Good, I can check it out. Mint and PopOS and Ubuntu does not have this feature.
I started with the GUI flatpak interface first and after those apps didn’t work, I went to google/forums. At the end of the day, I still didn’t accomplish a simple task Win11 has out of the box.
I still dont understand what you were trying to achieve that you couldn’t have done, at worst, in Synaptic package manager (a GUI program).
I’m trying to snap my windows to different ratios or tile out of the box. Mint, PopOS and Ubuntu does not have these features and I was trying to install it first from Flatpak and then in apt-get. Both failed.
You saying I’m spreading misinformation implies you don’t acknowledge my frustrations and grievances.
I don’t mean to say you’re doing it intentionally, just that when you state Linux can’t do these things it’s not exactly correct.
What is inaccurate? That I had a hard time trying to install a very basic feature on Mint and failed? Seems pretty straight forward.
Don’t get me started on installing Tailscale. While I was ultimately successful doing this in terminal, I would not want my mother in law trying to figure it out.
Try a different desktop environment instead of blaming all of Linux, my dude
My dude. What is a desktop environment? Do you automatically assume normies understand what that means?
This is further proof that this meme assumes that Linux wasn’t ready for normies 15 years ago but is ready now.
What are models of vehicles? What are different types of skiis? Shouldn’t just one book have all of human knowledge? I’m not assuming anything about Normie’s or anything, just telling you to try a different DE. Linux comes with options. You might want a sports car or you might want a truck. Before you buy a vehicle you look at what you want to do and then buy the right vehicle.
I guess when I’m expecting to have at least air conditioning instead of having my pick from thousands of different air conditioning systems from GitHub hoping it hasn’t been abandonware.
If I’m picking a specific system, I expect the engine to start when I turn the key, instead of a secret jiggle for it to work correctly.
Terminal is easier than Windows, if you don’t want to use it, fine, but saying it’s harder is a lie.
If you hand someone a computer and powered up terminal and ask them to install an app like Tailscale. Watch them struggle without searching a forum on how to do it.
A normie will have zero clue what is a app get. A normie won’t know you have to use a dash for app-get on some operating systems vs another one.
Watch them struggle without searching a forum on how to do it.
Wow, you mean someone wont know how to do something if they’ve never done it before and are forbidden from looking for help? Astounding, get a research team on this.
A normie won’t know you have to use a dash for app-get on some operating systems vs another one.
But a single search will return dozens of results of the correct answer and then they’ll know, because it isn’t actually difficult and your argument is based in “I don’t want to learn” dressed up as “it’s too hard”
But why do I need to do a search? Why isn’t it already installed and ready to go? Why must I find drivers for a hardware when I can just plug it into a Windows computer and 99% of the time it starts working?
This meme advertise that Linux is in equal footing with Windows. Yes, Linux has better privacy. But you can’t deny the usability of Windows. Until Linux has the same feature set prebuilt in, Linux is going to never be ready.
A very solvable problem with window tiling managers. There’s unironically thousands of them.
Linux just honestly might not be for you if a terminal is an insurmountable obstacle 🤷♀️ it’s how you interact with the basics of your computer. It’s worth ripping that bandaid off and getting over your fear of term imo. I honestly prefer software I can just run from the terminal.
I don’t want thousands of solutions. I need 1 that works out of the box for the OS I just installed. Also, why are there thousands of tiling solutions? How do I parse through all of them to know which one to install? Out of the thousand of solutions, which one will become abandonware or already abandoned?
I don’t disagree with you. I’m 100% onboard with your assessment on someone like me. A normie.
The argument here is that this meme suggests that Linux wasn’t ready for normies 15 years ago and is ready now(2025). My argument is it is not. Normies do not use terminal. We want intuitive UX. We want a smart decision tree of options we can take. What we don’t want is entering a script in terminal that could fail because we forgot a dash or transcribe a forward slash to a backslash.
Also, what you consider “basic” is relative. Your knowledge of computers is vastly different across the world.
I had a forum member on Reddit call me an idiot because I didn’t know what sudo was. Does that make me “basic”?
I think you want KDE. I’m using KDE on vanilla EndeavourOS and it snaps windows just fine. Hotkeys work too, just slightly different (super + page up instead of up arrow to maximize).
I will admit In have not tried KDE. I have tried popOS and Ubuntu outside of MintOS. Does it snap into 3 or 4 sections? I’ll give it a try if it does.
It is the most ‘Windows-like’ of the mainstream desktop environments. I don’t usually snap into quadrants but you can, here’s an example of how that would look in KDE.
This is exactly what I am looking for. Thank you .
Every time I install windows I needed to use the terminal to bypass microsoft’s online login requirement. Clearly Windows is not ready.
Let’s be real for a second. A normie would appreciate that there is a login that have saved their favorites and how their desktop is setup. A normie would appreciate that it remembers they are giving you localized news and weather and traffic.
A normie does not put privacy that high as a priority than you.
Trying to suggest that Linux is now ready for normies is a disservice to normies that try it and will never try it again for another 15 years.
My grandmother has been using Linux for five years now and she doesn’t know what Linux or Windows are. Its just the computer.
I argue that a grandma has less needs than someone younger. My grandma uses a 10 year old LG phone that has replaceable batteries. Never complains. Makes perfect phone calls.
Ask a teen if he enjoys Fortnite or PUBG with their friends and they will say they don’t know. Because their parents force Linux on them.
Wow, so many wrong comments. My parents using Linux laptops for 10 years (which i give them second hand when i buy a new one). Now i set up NixOS with auto updates, and never needed to touch it again myself.
Do your parents never need/want to download anything?
If you mean documents, they do it with phones.
I love Linux, but it isn’t ready.
Two weeks ago my side mouse buttons started working (they require Logitech software on Windows, wasn’t expecting them to work). Last week they stopped. This week they work again.
Is this major? Not at all. Would it drive my mother-in-law into a rage rivaling that of Cocaine Bear? Absolutely. Spare me from the bear, keep Linux for the tinkerers.
Same. I have a Kensington trackball with a decent config and button mapping software in Windows that I will NOT give up. I tried Mint for a few weeks, but it just became too stupidly cumbersome to Google every single thing. Like I wanted to implement the Windows PIN thing for startup on my PC… Yeah no.
Linux has come a long way but it’s not ready for the commoners like me. And a free open source OS probably cannot be developed for the masses without some major funding with a dedicated team.
So back to Win 10, Enterprised with massgrave.
You’re getting downvoted because the Linux community can’t understand people like us that just want things to work without needing to google everything or paste in random scripts into terminal. Linux is just an OS for tinkerers and not for normies.
implement the Windows PIN thing for startup on my PC
If you’re that specific in your requirements, you’re gonna have a bad time. I don’t think Microsoft makes “Windows PIN” for Linux.
As a normie myself, let me translate this to you tech literate nerds.
I think he is basically saying there is a macro software that inputs his pin on his mouse so he doesn’t have to constantly input his password.
