A Norwegian man said he was horrified to discover that ChatGPT outputs had falsely accused him of murdering his own children.
According to a complaint filed Thursday by European Union digital rights advocates Noyb, Arve Hjalmar Holmen decided to see what information ChatGPT might provide if a user searched his name. He was shocked when ChatGPT responded with outputs falsely claiming that he was sentenced to 21 years in prison as “a convicted criminal who murdered two of his children and attempted to murder his third son,” a Noyb press release said.
Sorry, I’ve spent months telling chatgpt that Arve Hjalmar Holmen killed his kids for a school project.
Plot twist: “Dad” isn’t even his real name.
What?? That changes everything! Does that mean my name could be false too?
Best regards,
- Hungry
Are we sure that someone else with that name hasn’t committed those crimes? After all if I search my name it says I’m an astronaut, because there is an actual NASA astronaut with my name. It’s not saying I’m that person, it’s just saying that that name is the same as that person’s.
Mine just gives a bunch of accurate information about me.
When do we start suing makers of fortune cookies for lucky coincidences?
“Claim”.
I mean, the guy is right, because it’s advertised as “artificial intelligence”.
Were it advertised as word salad generator, a Markovian chain grown big and scary, something in principle similar to programs for generation of fantasy language texts and spells and names (if someone remembers 00s good old web) for roleplaying, - then there would be no problem.
But if to sell something better you lie what it is, and that lie has social consequences, you should get sued to freezing hot inferno with mustard-greased giant-cockroach-dildo-covered walls. You should also probably face criminal charges.
Yeah, similar to Tesla “full self driving”.
No, you see where he grew up it was a common expression that meant you drive it yourself!
It couldn’t possibly be expected to mean what any sane person would think.
The fuckin’ Pedo Guy.
when I’ve searched my name with Google over the years, it has said I’m a high school football star, corporate lawyer, Ironman competitor, hotel chef, tech support specialist, janitorial manager, and horse trainer. LIES! ALL LIES!!!
Are you a male adult performer?
Not as far as you know.
Or ChatGPT has become a precog and is reporting a precrime. Lock him up!
It’s AI. There’s nothing to delete but the erroneous response. There is no database of facts to edit. It doesn’t know fact from fiction, and the response is also very much skewed by the context of the query. I could easily get it to say the same about nearly any random name just by asking it about a bunch of family murders and then asking about a name it doesn’t recognize. It is more likely to assume that person is in the same category as the others and if the one or more of the names have any association (real or fictional) with murder.
I have this gun machine that shoots in all directions randomly. I can’t predict it, so I can’t stop it from shooting you. So sorry. It’s uncontrollable.
I have this gun machine that shoots in all directions randomly. I can’t predict it, so I can’t stop it from shooting you. So sorry. It’s uncontrollable.
I’m sorry, as an American, I’m not seeing the problem. Don’t you just need a second gun that shoots in random directions to stop the first gun? And then a third gun to shoot the 2nd gun? I mean come on now, this is basic 3rd grade common sense!
If creating text is like shooting bullets, we should require a license for text editors.
The severity of the impact should not dictate whether a person is accountable for a thing they own, or not.
So, licenses for everything?
Anyway, we hold the person accountable who does (or rarely does not) do something, not the owner of a thing. Which is why a libel accusation makes 0 sense here.
Maybe people need to learn that AI hallucinates
you misspelled “is fucking wrong all the goddamn time”
It would be more accurate to say that rather than knowing anything at all they have a model of the statistical relationship between a series of tokens and subsequent tokens which words are apt to follow other words and because the training set contains many true things the words produced in response to queries often contain true statements and almost always contain statements that LOOK like true statements.
Since it has no inherent model of the world to draw on and only such statistical relationships you should check anything important
you say more accurate but all I see is a very roundabout way of saying fucking wrong all the goddamn time
it produces things that appear to be cohesive sentences. there is no reason to assign correctness to a sentence.
maybe you should tell that to the companies that shove it in every crevice of every website and app. why is it on search results? why is it summarizing emails? why is it literally doing anything? it’s useless. actually it’s less than useless. it’s misleading and harmful. and the companies should be held liable for it.
Yea, I’m mind blown, how, after 3 years people still don’t know how to use LLM effectively in use cases they bring value (by reducing work time)
- start a second chat and ask different to verify
- if you use chatGPT reason feature, read reasoning output as well!
- best search for verifiable thing, like code, that you can run or similar
- if you use it for research, only trust the info, if it used web search and you have read the webpages it used to summarise as well, or use traditional web search to verify based on the output
- it is great to manipulate text until sounds as desired (if you are not good in wording stuff anyway)
- plan what steps to do in a project next (like “i want to do xxx have y and need it to be z, make me a list of todos)
- and of course it is great to generate simple python scripts fast (I often use it as my python writing slave)
Using AI like this, helped me enormously in work and live Like, I learned a lot C, C++, how linux kernel modules work, how PO/POT works, helped me with translations, introduced me into music production, helped me set up appFlowy and general windows/linux issues.
And when it hallucinates harmful things, protections need to be put onto the output.
Ok so explain particularly what this means
If you have a service, and that service is generating things that harm people, you should have to stop it.
We value the gains both immediate and presumed more than the harm
Surely. Otherwise it’d be shut down. Like they did with my gun machine :-(
Yeah but I can just ignore the bullets because they are nerf. And I have my own nerf guns as well.
I mean at some point any analogy fails, but AI is nothing like a gun.
AI is a thing people choose to host and are responsible for the outcomes of its use. The internal working and limitations of the machine do not make the owners less responsible.
Okay, so I agree with none of that, but you’re saying as long as we host our own AI or rent our own processing from the cloud we’re in the clear? I want to make sure that’s your fundamental argument because that leaves all open models in the clear and frankly I could be down with that. I like AI but I’m not a huge fan of AI companies.
So insurance companies use AI to screen claims.
It denies a claim for life saving intervention - person dies. Who is responsible for that? Historically it would be the insurance company - and worker. Would it be them or the AI company?
Psych screening tools were using it to pre screen calls.
Ai tells the person to kill themselves - who is at fault if they do it. Psych screener would lose their job and their license. What and who is impacted if AI does it.
QA check on a car or product is passed by AI but should have failed.
Thousands die before the recall. Who is at fault for it? The Company leveraging AI. Or the AI itself?
Company using AI for that shit is responsible. There is no responsible way to remove a human from there process. These aren’t reasonable uses of AI no matter how bad companies want to save money by not hiring.
Yeah so any space where a caregiver or worker can get fined huge sums of money for not taking adequate action it should just be illegal for AI to inherit that space then?
Because when I worked in the psych space if I was told XYand Z - I would need to act or as an individual face 30-100,000 dollars in fines.
If it’s left to the company you will just see shell corps housing the AI client facing hub. That will dissolve when legal critical mass forms and costs now outweigh the revenue wins.
“We formed LLC psych screen services, who will help our hospital team with mental health call volume!”
“Psych screen LLC is facing 27 lawsuits and is committing bankruptcy!”
“We formed LLC psych now using a different AI tool!”
I’m not sure you get my point.
If I’m proving a service, and that service is creating and publishing disparaging information about you, you should have recourse against me. I don’t get off the hook just because of the way I’ve set up the technology.
Right. Well if your service is a well-known bullshiter I wouldn’t give a fuck. That being said, I’d be happy to agree that AI should all be open source and self-hosted. I run local AI myself, but the quality isn’t there. I’d have to rent time on a big boy machine if the big players went away. That would be a little inconvenient because I’d want to have a whole bunch of requests queued up to use maximum power over minimum time and that’s not really how anyone uses AI.
Maybe I could share that rental with other AI enthusiasts… hmmm.
Which is why OpenAI should compensate anyone they have damaged in some way and yes that would mean it would cease to exist overnight. That‘s because a criminal organization shouldn‘t be profitable in the first place.
you can tweak the weights though
Tweaking weights is no guarantee and can easily affect complete unrelated things.
Well, here we are. We skipped using this tech for only search Automation and leapfrogged to directly making shit up (once again).
To me it’s clear that these tools are primarily useful as bullshit generators, and I expect them to hallucinate and be inaccurate. But the companies trying to capitalize on the “AI” bubble are saying that these tools can be useful and accurate. I imagine OpenAI is going to have to invoke the Fox News defense in this case, and claim that “no reasonable person would take this seriously”.
Don’t use hallucinate to describe what it is doing, that is humanizing it and making the tech seem more advanced than it is. It is randomly mashing words together without understanding the meaning of any of them
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Leapfrogged? It never left. LLMs were made to make shit up.
When asking ChatGPT about my name, it provided the following:
“…it seems like you may be referring to a private person rather than a widely known public figure. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t have any specific public information on him unless he has gained some public recognition for a particular achievement.”
It shouldn’t be used for looking up people that aren’t celebrities or at least known for something.
“…it seems like you may be referring to a private person rather than a widely known public figure. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t have any specific public information on him unless he has gained some public recognition for a particular achievement.”
If you didn’t specifically search for “Mr. <name>”, that would be quite the sexist attitude to assume that person is a “him” ;)
PS: please don’t use LLMs, they produce nothing of value and contribute to idiots being deceived.
There’s a list of names of people who have sued OpenAI, they often cause ChatGPT to shut down.
We should keep those names handy just incase cyber dogs are ever chasing us.
Well now it will say that Arve Hjalmar Holmen is a twit who doesn’t understand how ChatGPT works and what to expect from it
Arve Hjalmar Holmen
