the lemmyworlds and their orbiters are gonna be upset about this one
Redditors please consult the chart:
hmm… And why would you say supporting Russia and Palestine count has “understanding geopolitics”? I say this as someone who does not know too much about it.
Both work against US Imperial Hegemony. Palestinian liberation is fully supported as it’s a national liberation movement for people subjected to settler-colonial genocide, critical support for Russia is due to it currently working against US dominance, which is the primary obstacle for Humanity to progress economically into a more equitable global system.
Posting to [email protected] would likely get a lot of good answers.
Or any other geopolitics ask community if you don’t want extremely .grad replies.
There will be violence in Ukraine regardless of whether weapons are sent there or not. The second option will make it so there’s noone to police the russians. Pretty much like palestinians can’t do much about israelis slaughtering them.
NATO had buit the largest of any European armies there and they were slaughtering the ethnic Russians, nobody was crying about policing them were they?
So what you meant to say is: "I think
NATO had buit the largest of any European armies there and they were slaughtering the ethnic Russians, nobody was crying about policing them were they?
But I have no sources other than my thoughts to support this view."
I’m saying this is not some secret and verifiable fact. They had 600K and a few100k reserves.
Far more than England, France or whoever. Also the most tanks and everything else except navy.
Even with all the nATO help and training it didn’t go too well so they used the Minsk accords to arm even further.
Merkel admitted this, it is clear they never intended to honor it.
Reports from the OCSE show how they continuously broke the ceasefire.
Just before Russia intervened they reported 100’s of bombings.
98% on the ukro site.
Maybe learn to look something up, or don’t and keep making snooty remarks bcs you don’t want to see the truth.
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I know, that’s the problem isn’t it?
No shit Sherlock, then include a source for this info so I can educate myself. Cuz a quick search turned up nothing like this.
Kindergarten teacher is not my job.
No. Propagandist is.
No one knowing what you’re saying is a problem, but that’s a you problem. Everyone who reads what you wrote is confused because what you’re saying sounds like the ravings of a lunatic. No one knows what you’re talking about. We’ve never heard of these events you’re alluding to. So either show proof of them or we’re going to write you off as another propaganda shill
But you knew all of this because it’s 2025 and no one on lemmy doesn’t understand how the Internet works. Which means you’re lying for a purpose. You’re a propagandist.
LOL 8 YEARS is hard to ignore. Couldn’t look that up with all your interwebs knowledge?
I don’t know who your WE is that doesn’t see this but that’s probably part of your crappy propaganda outfit.
Anyone with a brain knows what happened and is going on.
The reality is catching up with you and you’re embarrassing, nothing more.
Propaganda only goes so far, especially if you’re on the wrong side.
So enjoy what is coming, you deserve it fully.
Ugh, the crying about NATO armies. “They were about to get too strong to attack, so Russia had to attack before they got completely too strong to attack.” Yeah, okay vlad
Nobody asked you Adolf
Ok, Stalin
yawn
you people are always sooo original.
Besides their viewpoints they also need to parrot the insults for lack of any independent thought
Not much of a challenge
Let me just block you before you kill me with boredom.Imagine getting that upset when someone does the thing you just did 🤣
Israel has controlled the USG for decades now. We support Israel because they have been intricately and impressively spying on us since at least the 1980s and bought and paid for most of our politicians. It’s just that simple, they own our politicians, and therefore: when they do heinous evil, our politicians look away.
Ukraine was invaded by our largest rival on the world stage as a power grab, and NATO decided to help.
The two situations are not comparable in the slightest.
Other way around, the US supports Israel because it secures the US Empire’s interests in the region. Israel does not have nearly the power necessary to control the US, this line of thinking fails to analyze the real standings of the two countries. Presumably unintentionally on your part, the “Israel controls the US” narrative is actually pushed heavily by anti-semites, it perpetuates the notion that Jewish people control the world in a manner that recognizes the genocide of Palestinians. This is why correct analysis is important, as false conclusions aid the fascists. Anti-Zionism is correct, as is Palestinian liberation, but the US is not a victim here but is intentionally perpetuating it.
As for NATO and Ukraine, NATO countries are “helping out” not out of any moral reason, but to make hefty profits off of IMF loans and resource/mineral contracts. Additionally, Russia is not the US Empire’s largest rival on the world stage, China is. It’s true that Russia goes against the US, but it hasn’t been a world power since the dissolution of the USSR, when the reintroduction of Capitalism obliterated Russia’s economy.
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That points to October 7th, 2023. The settler-colonial genocide of Palestinians has been going on for a century.
Could you be specific about the two things you are comparing? Should we go back and look at ukraines history of being invaded by Russia?
We can look back on the history of the two nations, and we can look on the history of Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. The major difference is that Israel was formed as a genocidal ethnostate on Palestinian land, whereas the invasion of Ukraine seems to be a proxy war for the US to carve out as many IMF loans as possible while Russia tries to thoroughly demillitarize Ukraine.
Why did Palestine strike back against Israel on October 7th? Why did Russia invade Ukraine?
Russia invaded Ukraine because Russia is out for global domination. It’s obvious.
It’s “obvious” only if history began on Feb. 24, 2022.
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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The Maidan coup and fascist paramilitary attacks on eastern & southern Ukraine:- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
No, lmao. The Russian Federation is nowhere near powerful enough for that, nor do they have an actual material nor ideological reason for that. It’s pretty clear that the Russian Federation simply hates NATO being on its border, especially Ukraine, and is thus trying to demillitarize Ukraine by any means necessary so that it can no longer consider it a potential threat.
There aren’t grand delusions of world conquest, nor is there any evidence of a larger plan. If they wanted World Domination, then they would have expanded beyond Ukraine by now in the Russo-Ukrainian war. They haven’t, and instead we are seeing pushes for peace talks now that it looks like such talks will be clearly in Russia’s favor. If they wanted global conquest, why stop before taking all of Ukraine? Why Ukraine specifically?
I understand detesting the invasion on moral grounds, but inventing reasons just because they sound more scary doesn’t get you any closer to solving the problem and ending the war.
just like the zionists think it’s convenient to count from oct 7 the west conveniently iignored 8 years of ethnic cleansing and terrorism in the east
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Why do you always think it’s Russian trolls? Is there really nothing criticizable anymore about this war romance y’all got going for Ukraine? Any critical minds just have to be ‘Putin’s puppies’? I’m so fucking tired of this simplistic ass Marvel heroes viewpoint.
War romance??? You think people want war? Wtf is wrong with you
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Why do you always think it’s Russian trolls
Can also be Putin’s useful idiots. Take your pick.
No really, tell me why. Let me pick your brain.
Or are you simply repeating the same shit others say?
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Wow, such good arguments, great reasoning! You have definitely changed my view! It’s all Putin! Now go back to playing pokemon.
brainpower is when putler, soypower is when western media literally admitting that russian trolls barely exist
get it right smh…
Well you see, as you increasingly slip into McCarthyist paranoia, your definition of “Russian troll” is going to grow ever more expansive as it approaches “everyone who disagrees with me”. As a result, it’s going to seem like there’s more of them to you
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Love how in the first image you show the best part of the Palestinian people (which I do think is very much in the majority), but then in the second image you show the worst part of the Ukrainian people (which are very much in the minority).
The ultimate lib move: exaggerating the villainy of their political opponents (or just straight up lying) and downplaying anything that’s inconvenient to their “chivalrous” and “noble” narrative, namely their naked imperialism:
https://lemmy.ml/post/25116459/16264498
That’s hardly a ‘lib move’, more like an ingrained human reaction to justify practically every action ever.
Are you saying I am doing that here? The only thing I said was saying that the image is a little bit weird. Or do you think the majority of ukraine are nazi’s?
Are you saying I am doing that here?
To be precise, mostly the latter of my comment applies, yes.
Do you think the majority of ukraine are nazi’s?
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what I think, see the linked posts for details, feel free to challenge any of the sources while providing your own.
I don’t see a source that claims that anywhere near the majority of Ukrainians are nazi’s. Would you mind pointing me to that source?
I don’t see how my comment could be interpreted as claiming “majority”. The point is, you’re downplaying the rampant Nazi problem and its effects within Ukraine, which is ingrained in many aspects (see the sources) and practically institutionalized. the fact that you want to contest this speaks volume to your character.
Okay, I don’t see where I downplayed the nazi problem in Ukraine. And I thought you where responding to my claim of ukraine not being majority nazi.
Not sure why it’s difficult to understand: saying “they’re just in the minority” diminishes the actual reality and effects of their allowed existence in the first place, minority or otherwise. So protected they are, that they receive state-funding to be kept alive. Otherwise, what’s the point of your comment?
Glad I could clear the confusion though, lib.
Whoever doesn’t obey USA’s commands, USA calls a dictator, and then starts a vilifying campaign to justify intervening and getting rid of him/them. The EU always plays along and certainly Ukraine will not be an exception because it’s all business to them (Putin included) and war is the most profitable of all businesses.
the comments and the downvotes would be fascinating if it weren’t so clear that they come from a place of deeply ingrained willful ignorance.
even the american liberal media is starting to admit that this is true, yet american liberals clutch onto it for whatever reason and i wish i could understand why.
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Do you find it hard to sleep at night, knowing that the Spectre could be lurking in your room?
