I regret nothing. Say what you want.
Edit: I just saw the two typos. If you find them, you’re welcome to keep them.
What about people, who just burn the machine code directly onto a CD with a laser?
Yep. Fancy devs watching me coding some Rakulang in nano 😂
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I do it in nano over ssh. The shortcuts suck but it gets the job done.
You can enable modernbindings in nano to get standard shortcuts like ctrl-s for save.
doesn’t vim come with the Ubuntu installation?
Learned C++ by using gedit on the Sun machines in my college’s computer lab in 2007. They were decommissioned shortly after I graduated.
At one of my jobs around 2010 there was a dev in the office who wrote all his code in Notepad. When I joined the staff they were still using Classic ASP. My job was to help them (finally) migrate to ASP.Net. He intended to develop .Net apps in Notepad rather than learn how to use VS. I got laid off due to cutbacks and never found out what kind of luck he had wit dat.
Vim and emacs are text editors.
Vs code is a code editor (but really it’s also just a text editor)
Maybe they mean IDEs like visual studio?
I’ve never really heard it called a coding GUI before.
Vim (and NeoVim) are as much coding environments as VS or JetBrains. The difference is in the defaults.
I see you’ve never used emacs.
So an IDE is a code editor that ships with an LSP server, not just an LSP interface? (Doesn’t have to be LSP as such but “stuff that an LSP server does”).
I would say that an IDE is something that includes build/run tools integrated into it. Everything else is just a text editor. (But that’s just my opinion of course)
To expand on my point, I don’t think it makes sense to call vs code an integrated development environment if it doesn’t actually have the environment integrated.
Visual studio and idea would be examples of IDEs, they actually have all of the tools and frameworks needed to run the languages they were built for out of the box.
You can’t run node or python out of the box with just vs code for example, without their respective tooling, all vscode can do is edit the code and editing code is not functionally different from editing any other text.
So I maintain that both vim and vscode are text editors and not IDEs
I’d say build and run tools are pretty integrated into vim. Type
:makand there you go, it’s not like vs studio would be a single process either.
Vim and emacs usually run in the terminal and require keyboard commands to complete actions.
A GUI IDE like vscode or pycharm has mouse driven menus and buttons, although of course it’s possible to use keyboard commands.
That to me is the difference. Personally, I use vim mod with pycharm and some messy hybrid combination of vim commands and ctrl + ?
Vs code has no integrated environment though, it’s just a text editor that supports plugins, you still need to install python or node or .net or Java or gcc, etc.
As far as vim requiring keyboard commands, that’s really only the case if you leave mouse mode off
set mouse=aAnd of course, to muddy the water further, we have tools like https://helix-editor.com/ which, more closely approximate vs code, while happening to live in a terminal.
I maintain that in order to qualify as an IDE and not a glorified text editor, you must be able to, out of the box, without external dependencies, run and build the code it was built for (idea/visual studio) otherwise it’s not very integrated, and I don’t think you need to have nice graphics for that qualification.
Interesting, I didn’t know that about VSCode.I’ve used it briefly and I must have always installed some default plugins to make it work with python!
The only query I’d have on that definition of IDE is that they all require an external compiler or JIT interpreter to execute code, because the versions of the compilers changes so frequently it’d be crazy to release an ‘all included’ IDE. (The old MS Visual Basic is an example of ‘all included’)
But yeah, pycharm or phpstorm are “ready to run” bar the code compiler or interpreter, I don’t have to open a terminal or something to run code I’ve written.
“Me who codes with the text editor that came with Ubuntu”…
So VIM?
Doesn’t it ship with nano these days?
I code using grep’s search and replace.
One word: ed
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Oh, I remember ed! He’s the talking horse from that old black and white show, right?
No one can code with a horse, of course. That is of course, unless the horse is the famous mr Ed.
Perfect! Though we shouldn’t give Netflix and co any ideas on more classics to dredge up and ruin.
That boy is gonna be a murderer
As long as you don’t use Microsoft Word we can be friends
What about the libre office version?
text editor application that came with Ubuntu
nano
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I’m probably in the minority but I think it’s fantastic! No extra baggage, super quick to work with, and it does syntax highlighting pretty well!
It’s also self explanatory, which is great if you’re new.
Ed and Vim are basically arcane by comparison.
Ed
lol
Sure, but learning the very basics of vi/m (and by that I just mean navigation, selection, cutting, and word jumps like e and b), you’ll immediately run circles around anyone using nano
NANO is life.
Nano is fine. But Micro is a worthwhile upgrade: https://micro-editor.github.io/
I started with Pico. ;)
Nano is love.
