Countdown until Trump stupidly bans it as it “harms” President Musk.
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biden basically did that already. ever noticed there are no byds on the road in the us?
i seem to recall it wasn’t an outright ban, but unreasonable tariffs on chinese evs specifically. a soft ban, but enough to be as effective.
The official reason for tariffs is government subsidy AFAIK, but in reality the moment they lower the tariffs, US and EU automobile industry is done.
The heavy subsidy by the Chinese government is the reason they would dominate though. The tariffs won’t ever be lifted unless they stop manipulating the prices to be lower than domestic competitors…
They would dominate because they make a good product that isn’t more expensive than it has to be. US car companies have discontinued most affordable options to try and force people to only buy larger, higher end vehicles that most people have no use for. Now they’re mad that international companies are willing to sell the products they refuse to.
Yes, usa car companies are bitches. But it is laughable that you think the reason it isn’t more expensive has nothing to do with being subsidized
The reason it is vastly less expensive is due to being subsidized. You don’t seem to understand what is being said and can be backed by facts.
Allowing your local industries to be dominate is common sense. As much as china is smart to subsidize theirs so heavily, the united states isn’t wrong to tariff them
And not the 3.2 billion that the government dumped into them…
I’ve heard they are good cars but the price is manipulated.
so… how much did does the us government give its auto industry?
They gave us auto companies 81 billion between 2008 and 2014, and continue to subsidize the industry to this day.
pot meet kettle
BYD recieved 3.7 billion between 2018-2022 2.2 billion in 2022 alone.
Ford recieved under 500 million in 2022 but did recieve 1.7 billion in 2023.
Ford motor apparently has only recieved 7.7 billion in subsidies since the year 2000. Usually from states rather than fedrally.
They aren’t manipulating, shits just cheaper to make over there. So they can make more profit and still charge less.
That is verifiably false…
https://electrek.co/2024/04/12/china-gave-byd-an-incredible-3-7-billion-to-win-the-ev-race/
Read your own source maybe?
For its part, China has declared the EU subsidy probe a protectionist maneuver by Europe, saying that its automakers are winning because they make better products. Of course, even the study’s author say that the rapid adoption of green tech in Europe in particular is due in large part to cheap goods coming from China.
The source is also a German investigation? So it may not even be entirely factual either dude…
I’d trust Germany over China any day and twice on Sunday…
how fast would it cause the battery to degrade, though?
That’s the beauty of it. Just get a new one every two years like every other electronic device and you won’t need to worry about that. Subscription plans will be available.
I wish the batteries were modular/interchangeable. You could just pull into a station, remove the spent battery and replace it with a full one, the spent one can then just get recharged and stored at the station for the next user to change out. You could even bring some extra ones in the trunk for a long trip!
Yeah, I’ve thought about this too, but real use cases would be rare and maybe somewhere along highways for long trips, but you’d need a lot of stations in hard to predict locations to make it something people could use. Most of the time a simple recharge at night at the domicile would suffice. Add trying to get battery form factors standardized when companies can’t even agree on a universal charger and challenges to upgrading vehicle frames and design if such a standard was ever adopted and it just seems unsustainable.
Ya Engineering really is 't my thing but it seams like such a logical way to do things. This would even be great with phones if you could just swap out the battery you’re not currently using.
There is a company that does this in China. You lease the battery, and pay roughly the same amount as a tank of fuel to swap it, so not a cheap process, and it only works on a small number of vehicles. They’re also losing money hand over fist, and aren’t likely to last very long.
Also, a long trip is precisely when I need all my trunk space.
The problem is the form factor. They’re broad, flat batteries under the floor of the car, because that’s the most available space when you take out the drivetrain. If you wanted to make them swappable, you’d have to sacrifice the space under the hood or the trunk. Or the passenger space. And all that comes with their own safety concerns.
They can drop the battery out from underneath…. You’re not seriously suggesting that this would be done by users and not automatically? The easiest place for this would be exactly where it is now, underneath EVERYTHING.
It’s not like you are gonna man handle the battery yourself in and out of these dude.
The precedence is there, there’s scooters that already utilize this exact exchanging. Hell forklifts figured this out decades ago… and you want to make it sound like it would be an issue in todays age? Semis have used it for years too, why do you think they would go back to manually doing it? Even if the batteries were light enough to move by hand, you would spend more time unplugging and plugging them back in than it would be to charge them….
I have a Chinese flashlight and the battery trademark is so unfortunate (soonfire) like WTF. Lol.
Not necessarily as they are using LFP chemistry which has much more cycles than the standard one.
this would be a massive leap for EVs
I’m sure it’s similar to how they trained DeepSeek for $5M when it was really over a $1B…
They make all kinds of false claims.
I wasn’t aware! Thanks for sharing. Here goes my dream of bootstrapping an LLM model in my parents’ garage.
one quick charge for a car, one giant leap for ev king
I always think about an “imaginary” scenario where we all have ultra fast charging like this and plug our cars in at the same time. Would the grid experience a brownout?
I studied this a bit in my MS and the answer is… probably not. “The grid will collapse” has been an anti-technology or pro fossil fuel talking point for a very long time, whether* its arguing against renewables or against personal computers or against AC units. The most recent was solar. Grid operators were adamant that solar would crash the grid if it accounted for more than 10%, then 20%, then 30% and so on and it never happened. Now it’s onto EVs being the grid destroyer.
The reality is that production and use is not all that hard to predict. Ultrafast charging will eat some power, but that isn’t going to be the norm for wide EV adoption. Public charging will cost more money and be less convenient than charging at home or work over a longer duration. Home chargers are capping around 30-35 amps, generally overnight when grid demand is low. Couple this with the combined low cost for residential solar to change at even lower rates depending on your state/nation’s hostility to solar.
Now, if every car was replaced with an EV tomorrow, the grid would struggle. But that’s not going to happen. Adoption will be a long slow process and energy producers will increase output on pace as demand forecasts increase. A good parallel to this is Air Conditioning adoption. That’s another high demand appliance that went from rare to common. The grid has its challenges, but now the AC usage is forcastable and rarely challenges the grid.
Is it a challenge, especially with higher renewable mixtures, yes. Can utilities fumble? Of course. Will it be a widespread brownout every day during commute hours? Not likely.
Also, just to indicate the orders of magnitude: The German electiricty grid roughly operates at a power of 200 000 MW on average.
Source (the colorful graph in the middle of the page). (Be mindful that the absolute numbers in the graph are given in “MWh per 15 minutes” (power*time/time), so to get the Watt number (power) at any given time, one has to multiply the number by 4.)
Great reply, thank you!
Perfect application and apropos name for ‘surge’ pricing
