• NeilBrü@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    To all the infallible unblemished champions of the proletarian revolution who are shitting on “libs”:

    According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics and Western Political Theory in the Face of the Future, this is the definition of liberalism:

    Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.

    In your own words, what do you think “lib” means? And if you’re going with my cited textbook definition, what’s so offensive to you about the tenets that are listed?

    Either words’ definitions matter or they don’t, and if they don’t, then none of what you say matters.

  • Resonosity@lemmy.world
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    Who said Lefts didn’t vote for Harris?

    Are you manufacturing this? Where are the exit polls?

    Might a better reason for why Fascism won with this election be that Democrats, including Biden, Harris, the DNC, and the consulting class, failed to campaign to their own base, and even more than their base since most Americans, Dems and Reps, approve of progressive policies?

    Projection man

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      Biden got ~81m votes in 2020, Harris only got ~67m. >14m fewer people voted for her.

      Trump also dropped by ~2m, only getting ~72m this time around vs. ~74m in 2020.

      Trump didn’t win because of a giant right-wing national shift, he won because of voter apathy on the left.

      • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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        There was certainly a right wing shift. The DNC did their very best (e.g. Cheney) to capture republican voters rather than represent the workers.

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          You need to seperate out the political machine from the populace.

          The DNC did make a right-ward play to try and peel centrist/moderate voters who identify as Republicans but didn’t necessarily want to vote for Trump. They did this on the (now we know false) assumption that their base would turn out automagically.

          But again, Trump won with fewer votes this time around than he lost in 2020 to Biden with. He didn’t gain standing, the only reason he was victorious was because those left of centre failed to show up to the polls. Voter apathy doesn’t denote a right-wing shift; it denotes a shit political platform.

          Voters are still voting rather progressively on state-wide ballot measures, the people haven’t gotten more conservative - despite what the (elite-owned) media narrative would have you believe. Every datapoint and infographic regarding voter demographics is based on %s of voters, rather than absolute demographics.

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    I’m over pointing fingers and playing holy than thou.

    The people who plan to build a Hungarian-style autocratic government are in power now, and they’re hoping the left is exhausted and tired of fighting this shit for a decade.

    This shit is going to be dangerous, and we’re going to have to motivate people to push back hard than even. Pointing fingers just divides us and makes us even weaker.

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      That’s a bummer because progressives couldn’t be bothered to stop an erasure of minorities and lgbt alongside a subjugation of women.

      Quite simply, either you align with them or you can get fucked.

      At least that’s how it’s currently playing out.

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    The DNC would rather lose with a neoliberal than win with a progressive. If they want to get there shit together they have to win with the working class and ordinary people.

    They can’t be elitist centrists. They’ll lose every election if they do. The future is now old man

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      If they go further left they lose every moderate or right leaning Democratic voter don’t they? Why would you want your voter base to get smaller

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    They share the blame, certainly, especially in depressing left-leaning turnout, but I think it was largely ‘swing voter’ twats sitting it out.

    Suppose we’ll find out when more detailed analysis of this utter fuck-up and handing the keys to one of the most powerful countries in the world to fascists is available.

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        “Too radical”

        “Not radical enough”

        “Trump Lite”

        “Didn’t care about Trump voters”

        “Another predicable establishment candidate”

        “We didn’t know her”

        “All she said was she not the other guy”

        “Didn’t expose Trump enough”

        “Joy bullshit! Where are the serious policies?”

        “Elections are about feelings and she didn’t have appeal”

        “Supports the Gaza genocide”

        “Didn’t inspire pro-Israel voters”

        “Failed border czar”

        “Blue MAGA”

        Everyone seems to think they know why Harris lost, and it’s always “didn’t do enough of what I like”. It’s boring and unhelpful.

      • minnow@lemmy.world
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        This may come as a surprise to you, but yes, in a democracy the people are to blame for who gets elected.

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        The Dems running a wet rag is a significant failing and they share the blame for fascism coming into power.

        At the same time, that in no way excuses the thought process of any voter who sat by and said, “I don’t like the wet rag. Let’s go with fascism instead!”

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        I voted.

        But something like 16 million fewer Americans voted this year compared to 2020. That’s an insanely large number of people who simply didn’t vote.

        Thats why Trump won.

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          Those people didn’t vote because people like you convinced them there was no difference and therefore no point in voting.

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    48% of the popular vote went to Kamala.

    Tell me more about this Libs didn’t vote thing.

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    I did my part. I voted third party because BOTH PARTIES SUPPORT A FASCIST REGIME COMMITTING GENOCIDE WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS WHILE OUR OWN PEOPLE GO HOMELESS

    Cry about it libs! I bet going further right and further ignoring your base will win in 2028! Might as well run Liz Cheney while you’re at it!

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      Yes that is the not voting against fascism the meme is talking about. You can label not doing your part as doing your part but it’s still not doing your part.