1- If Democrats had voted against all Republican bills, we’d be in a shutdown right now.
2- Booker’s filibuster is good. There were also many, many options available to Democrats early in the confirmation process that they chose not to take. For example, if they demanded unanimous consent on every procedure, a roll call roll vote would be required to move anything forward. They could file deleterious motions constantly to slow everything down. McConnell successfully used these tactics just a few months ago to force Schumer cut a deal on judicial appointments at the end of the last Congress.
3- The suits are being brought by Democratic Attorneys General, who have been killing it. They remember how dangerous Trump was and prepared accordingly. The national Democrats, however, clearly had no plan other than, “Kamala will win,” and didn’t adapt at all in the months between the election and the inauguration.
Chuck Schumer is the poster boy for this shortsightedness. The only possible explanation for his actions on the budget bill is that he assumed at least a few House Republicans would defect and the bill wouldn’t reach the Senate. When that didn’t happen, he had to suddenly decided between funding the government, which would a terrible move since (aside from being an awful bill) every House Democrat had just stuck their neck out to try to shoot it down, or defunding the government, which had its own risks, but it’s own benefits as well. Not only did he make the wrong choice, but he made it so abruptly he threw his entire party into chaos.
4- All of this is indicative of a party that is working from an out of date playbook that is hopeless obsolete in the face of fascism. Schumer and James Carvil started the term by telling Democrats to lay low and wait for Trump to screw up. Jefferies was advocating for bipartisanship for the fiest two months of the administration. The general consensus is that the legislative branch is completely helpless, and they simply need to wait for the courts to save us.
None of this will work. The Trump administration’s fuck-ups don’t matter if they’re not planning on holding free and fair elections. Bipartisanship has been dead for almost 20 years. Court rulings won’t save us; Trump is already defying court orders, and the Supreme Court has been pack with regime loyalists. Some Senators, like Booker, seem to be waking up to these realities, but the entire Democratic party needs to be looking to every single opportunity to slow and obstruct the Trump regime, and the leadership is not doing that.
Defeating the Trump administration will require widespread public mobilization and and an opposition party that’s ready to play hardball. The Democratiic leadership seems to content with only doing the first half, and fundraising in lieu of opposition. That’s going to get us all killed.
If this were even true (what was Schumer in hot water over again?), what the fuck does ‘voting against republican bills’ do when the black-shirts are already rounding up immigrants?
Democrats can’t run around screaming about the end of democracy for 8 years and then wax romantic about the need for ‘bipartisanship’ when they’re starting to line people up against the wall.
Well they sure as fuck shouldn’t be capitulating to the fascists
I would expect that someone who really thinks we’re at the end of democracy would be (at the very least) breaking decorum to derail the fascism machine before it picks up steam, not censuring their own colleagues for loudly defending what they all presumably believe in.
“What else could they possibly be doing?!” they cry, as ICE agents are pushing legal permanent residents into black vans and flying them to a prison in El Salvador for exercising their 1st amendment rights.
As incredibly frustrated as I am by ICE, when they’re operating with the efficiency and speed of burglars, even politicians can’t stop them. Judges have slowed them down - preventing deportation to outside prisons and requiring lawyer visitation.
I do believe that raising voices about the abductions, and making sure as many people as possible see the fear in the video from Rumeysa as she’s taken, makes a difference in broad opinion and that’s critical.
I have no forgiveness for the votes to censure Greene. For what it matters, it didn’t do much to him. On the CR; I can formulate a very long argument why allowing it through was a reasonable decision made in a no-win situation, not a capitulation. To be fair, I could MAKE the argument - not agree with it. That comment about judges and courts was a huge part of it.
I’d have more respect for your argument if you had something constructive to suggest, rather than simply asserting what you stand against. Destroying is much easier than building.
I’d have more respect for your argument if you had something constructive to suggest, rather than simply asserting what you stand against.
I’ve made several.
The truth is that the Democrats have plenty of options in at least slowing down the rapid growth, but dismiss them out-of-hand simply because they break decorum. Booker just did a 25 hour filibuster (which is awesome), but he wasn’t even filibustering a bill. Democrats only seem to want to break decorum when the stakes are low enough not to piss off republican lawmakers, and that’s a huge problem when those lawmakers DGAF about democrat reactions and break the law anyway.
This is the time to be raising the alarm and making noise (remember when libs were whining that 16 months before an election was ‘not the time’ to be protesting democrats?). I don’t care about the occasional good thing the dems do in opposition to fascism, I care about all the things they’re not doing. They’re still acting as if there will still be elections, even though they spent the last 2 years screaming that there won’t be any more if trump wins.
At some point they have to start behaving like they actually believe what they’ve been trying to convince the rest of us of.
you still aren’t making any actual proposals for what they should be doing
Because what you’re looking for is some kind of policy proposal or voting strategy to stop a fascist movement, and I’m telling you that we’re beyond that.
Democrats should be physically impeding the dismantling of our institutions - that means disrupting the normal proceedings of congress and the legislature in order to raise the alarm, or at the very least not punishing the members of the party who are, and not breaking the line to side with the republicans when it actually matters (Schumer is the fucking minority leader, not some random spoiler).
When the strategy of the minority leader of the senate is to cooperate with the republicans in tearing apart the government in the hopes that voters blame them for a dip in the stock market 2 years from now and vote them out, it tells their constituents that they don’t really believe we’re witnessing the end of democracy. One of the top 2028 presidential contenders welcomed a white nationalist onto his podcast to talk about the ‘real concerns’ with transgender participation in sports. The DNC chair is out in public soliciting donations from “the good billionaires” while the base is setting records rallying against oligarchy.
The democratic party would rather collaborate with the reactionaries in the conservative party than recon with the growing populism in their own base, and that’s the entire-fucking point.
I’m not the person you were talking with, I’m someone random passing through the thread. I’m just so fucking sick of the republicans being the “make shit worse party” and the democrats being the “do nothing” party and never having fucking anything improve. I’m so fucking sick of voting for people who aren’t going to help people. I’m sick of nothing being done. And, what I’m REALLY REALLY FUCKING SICK OF IS PEOPLE DEFENDING THEM DOING NOTHING TO HELP. I’m not a fucking politician, I’m a regular dickwad on the internet like anyone else, I don’t know what fucking specific actions they should be taking, I don’t know how to improve things, THAT’S WHAT WE FUCKING HAVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES FOR.
What makes it fucking worse. I donated to bernie in 2016. Since then, my contact info has been spread like an STD and I get all these fucking fundraising emails, texts, and calls, from these fucking democrat assholes. “Give me money so I can fix things :)” Like my FUCKING god we had a democrat president, and majority in the senate and house and still nothing was fucking done to improve things. For the love of GOD stop begging me for money so you can sit on your goddamn asses and do nothing.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to blow up at you, I hope you can understand my fucking frustration.
No, I can’t. Because you’re factually incorrect. They’re not “doing nothing.” They’re doing what they can as the minority in a majoritarian legislature - which isn’t a whole goddamned lot, but blaming them for not being able to effectively stop a majority is not exactly their fault.
And in the 117th Congress, they poured billions into the public coffers to deal with the economic devastation during COVID, they enshrined marriage equality into law, they expanded hate crime law. They tried for more, but undivided opposition from the Republicans, the clear political motivation of the Supreme Court and the unreliability of their slime majority hindered them. Blaming the whole of the Democratic Party is just not warranted.
Yes, when the entire party of over 150 fails to represent the people who elected them because of 10 traitors then that counts as a L for the whole party.
They need to stop letting Republicans into the Democratic party if they want cohesion.
So why have a democratic party if they are randomly going to break ranks to enable fascism.
Literally any time a bill comes along that will make regular people’s lives worse for the rich to benefit conveniently there’s always enough dem traitors to get it passed.
Replace Schumer and Jeffries as congressional leaders, and make it publicly known it’s because of capitulation to fascism.
Filibuster every fucking thing. Zero legislative victories, no matter how minor.
Dredge up every scandal against every Republican, go on every podcast and every news show and put them on blast. Make sure there are a personal and professional consequences for supporting fascism.
They are not powerless. They just have to fight dirty, which they should damn well be willing to do after watching the government get plundered for the last three months.
He’s making wild power grabs by EO because they’re not being challenged - outside some judges blocking the most egregious overreaches.
Congress has the lion’s share of the government power - the purse string - if they choose to use it. Nothing moves or happens without money in America.
It’s even worse than that. Democrats forced a 15-day vote against Trump’s emergency executive order. The Republicans in Congress redefined the entire congressional calendar as a single day, just to avoid holding the vote. Every last Republican in Congress is complicit.
Source? I can’t find anything linking the legislative schedule to a snap change, just dry press releases of ‘here’s the planned calendar’ and official announcements.
Each day for the remainder of the first session of the 119th Congress shall not constitute a calendar day for purposes of section 202 of the National Emergencies Act with respect to a joint resolution terminating a national emergency declared by the President on February 1, 2025
7 bills have passed the Senate, one has been signed into law:
Congress.gov search
(note: the filter doesn’t include bills starting in the House, but there aren’t any relevant ones)
Also, the “Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2025” and “Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act” were “filibustered” (failed to reach cloture).
THIS is what a politician fighting to stop fascism looks like.
Not a press conference, not ‘barricading’ the door before meekly letting the DOGE lakeys in after they call the DC police, not Chuck fucking Schumer folding to Trump’s budget demands after the House stood tall and members in D+1 districts risked their position.
It’s still politics as usual for most of the leadership. Not ‘the fight to save our democracy’ like they campaigned and fundraised on.
Every single one of us fantasizes about stepping in front of a gun to save an innocent person. I even wanted to do that when I heard about an illegal ICE deportation less than 30 miles from me.
But fascist actors like DOGE sweep in like burglars, and run before you know they’re there. They remove livelihoods by E-mail. There’s nothing to stand in front of.
The Korean politicians literally put their lives on the line, and called the coup’s bluff by doing so. Posting on Twitter ‘man, Congress outta do something about that Doge’ when he is a Congressional leader while kicking the issue to the courts to ‘work it out’ is political theatre. Stand up, or step off Chuck.
If lawmakers don’t challenge DOGE, by passing new laws or going to court, they risk losing the powers Congress has held for two and a half centuries. Driesen and other legal experts said judges might consider the lack of congressional opposition as they decide cases on this question.
So, ten of forty-seven Democratic caucus members vote with Republicans on one bill and it constitutes the whole of the Democratic Party not doing anything, ever?
I want a democratic party that is as fully willing to ratfuck and obstruct all conservative efforts as the republicans have been for decades.
I want them to stop attempting to “reach across the aisle” to an enemy faction that would never be willing to do the same.
I want them to vote 100% against every single human garbage dump nominee that Trump puts in front of them.
I want them to have state police ready to clap the cuffs on Elon Musk as soon as her enters a state where he has broken the law.
I want them to stop playing defense and to start attacking for once, and I want them to do this as a unified front.
I want representatives that are willing to pull some South Korean shit and kick down doors on unelected DOGE stooges flinging shit inside our vital institutions.
Whenever I see posts like this, my question is: What constitutes “something?”
Democrats vote against all the Republican bills.
Cory Booker is filibustering a bunch of judicial appointments.
They’re banging the drum about how horrible everything Trump is doing is.
They support the suits and the protests.
What do you want? It seems like people just want to complain about the Democrats regardless of the realities of the situation.
1- If Democrats had voted against all Republican bills, we’d be in a shutdown right now.
2- Booker’s filibuster is good. There were also many, many options available to Democrats early in the confirmation process that they chose not to take. For example, if they demanded unanimous consent on every procedure, a roll call roll vote would be required to move anything forward. They could file deleterious motions constantly to slow everything down. McConnell successfully used these tactics just a few months ago to force Schumer cut a deal on judicial appointments at the end of the last Congress.
3- The suits are being brought by Democratic Attorneys General, who have been killing it. They remember how dangerous Trump was and prepared accordingly. The national Democrats, however, clearly had no plan other than, “Kamala will win,” and didn’t adapt at all in the months between the election and the inauguration.
Chuck Schumer is the poster boy for this shortsightedness. The only possible explanation for his actions on the budget bill is that he assumed at least a few House Republicans would defect and the bill wouldn’t reach the Senate. When that didn’t happen, he had to suddenly decided between funding the government, which would a terrible move since (aside from being an awful bill) every House Democrat had just stuck their neck out to try to shoot it down, or defunding the government, which had its own risks, but it’s own benefits as well. Not only did he make the wrong choice, but he made it so abruptly he threw his entire party into chaos.
4- All of this is indicative of a party that is working from an out of date playbook that is hopeless obsolete in the face of fascism. Schumer and James Carvil started the term by telling Democrats to lay low and wait for Trump to screw up. Jefferies was advocating for bipartisanship for the fiest two months of the administration. The general consensus is that the legislative branch is completely helpless, and they simply need to wait for the courts to save us.
None of this will work. The Trump administration’s fuck-ups don’t matter if they’re not planning on holding free and fair elections. Bipartisanship has been dead for almost 20 years. Court rulings won’t save us; Trump is already defying court orders, and the Supreme Court has been pack with regime loyalists. Some Senators, like Booker, seem to be waking up to these realities, but the entire Democratic party needs to be looking to every single opportunity to slow and obstruct the Trump regime, and the leadership is not doing that.
Defeating the Trump administration will require widespread public mobilization and and an opposition party that’s ready to play hardball. The Democratiic leadership seems to content with only doing the first half, and fundraising in lieu of opposition. That’s going to get us all killed.
If this were even true (what was Schumer in hot water over again?), what the fuck does ‘voting against republican bills’ do when the black-shirts are already rounding up immigrants?
Democrats can’t run around screaming about the end of democracy for 8 years and then wax romantic about the need for ‘bipartisanship’ when they’re starting to line people up against the wall.
I remember Kamala and Mike Johnson being all smiles on Inauguration Day.
Okay then, I repeat: what should they be doing?
Well they sure as fuck shouldn’t be capitulating to the fascists
I would expect that someone who really thinks we’re at the end of democracy would be (at the very least) breaking decorum to derail the fascism machine before it picks up steam, not censuring their own colleagues for loudly defending what they all presumably believe in.
“What else could they possibly be doing?!” they cry, as ICE agents are pushing legal permanent residents into black vans and flying them to a prison in El Salvador for exercising their 1st amendment rights.
As incredibly frustrated as I am by ICE, when they’re operating with the efficiency and speed of burglars, even politicians can’t stop them. Judges have slowed them down - preventing deportation to outside prisons and requiring lawyer visitation.
I do believe that raising voices about the abductions, and making sure as many people as possible see the fear in the video from Rumeysa as she’s taken, makes a difference in broad opinion and that’s critical.
I have no forgiveness for the votes to censure Greene. For what it matters, it didn’t do much to him. On the CR; I can formulate a very long argument why allowing it through was a reasonable decision made in a no-win situation, not a capitulation. To be fair, I could MAKE the argument - not agree with it. That comment about judges and courts was a huge part of it.
I’d have more respect for your argument if you had something constructive to suggest, rather than simply asserting what you stand against. Destroying is much easier than building.
I’ve made several.
The truth is that the Democrats have plenty of options in at least slowing down the rapid growth, but dismiss them out-of-hand simply because they break decorum. Booker just did a 25 hour filibuster (which is awesome), but he wasn’t even filibustering a bill. Democrats only seem to want to break decorum when the stakes are low enough not to piss off republican lawmakers, and that’s a huge problem when those lawmakers DGAF about democrat reactions and break the law anyway.
This is the time to be raising the alarm and making noise (remember when libs were whining that 16 months before an election was ‘not the time’ to be protesting democrats?). I don’t care about the occasional good thing the dems do in opposition to fascism, I care about all the things they’re not doing. They’re still acting as if there will still be elections, even though they spent the last 2 years screaming that there won’t be any more if trump wins.
At some point they have to start behaving like they actually believe what they’ve been trying to convince the rest of us of.
So, ten Democrats in the House constitutes the WHOLE PARTY doing nothing?
And you still aren’t making any actual proposals for what they should be doing.
Because what you’re looking for is some kind of policy proposal or voting strategy to stop a fascist movement, and I’m telling you that we’re beyond that.
Democrats should be physically impeding the dismantling of our institutions - that means disrupting the normal proceedings of congress and the legislature in order to raise the alarm, or at the very least not punishing the members of the party who are, and not breaking the line to side with the republicans when it actually matters (Schumer is the fucking minority leader, not some random spoiler).
When the strategy of the minority leader of the senate is to cooperate with the republicans in tearing apart the government in the hopes that voters blame them for a dip in the stock market 2 years from now and vote them out, it tells their constituents that they don’t really believe we’re witnessing the end of democracy. One of the top 2028 presidential contenders welcomed a white nationalist onto his podcast to talk about the ‘real concerns’ with transgender participation in sports. The DNC chair is out in public soliciting donations from “the good billionaires” while the base is setting records rallying against oligarchy.
The democratic party would rather collaborate with the reactionaries in the conservative party than recon with the growing populism in their own base, and that’s the entire-fucking point.
I KNOW! Why don’t they hold up stupid little signs? That’ll help!
Still not saying what you want Democrats to do.
I’m not the person you were talking with, I’m someone random passing through the thread. I’m just so fucking sick of the republicans being the “make shit worse party” and the democrats being the “do nothing” party and never having fucking anything improve. I’m so fucking sick of voting for people who aren’t going to help people. I’m sick of nothing being done. And, what I’m REALLY REALLY FUCKING SICK OF IS PEOPLE DEFENDING THEM DOING NOTHING TO HELP. I’m not a fucking politician, I’m a regular dickwad on the internet like anyone else, I don’t know what fucking specific actions they should be taking, I don’t know how to improve things, THAT’S WHAT WE FUCKING HAVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES FOR.
What makes it fucking worse. I donated to bernie in 2016. Since then, my contact info has been spread like an STD and I get all these fucking fundraising emails, texts, and calls, from these fucking democrat assholes. “Give me money so I can fix things :)” Like my FUCKING god we had a democrat president, and majority in the senate and house and still nothing was fucking done to improve things. For the love of GOD stop begging me for money so you can sit on your goddamn asses and do nothing.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to blow up at you, I hope you can understand my fucking frustration.
No, I can’t. Because you’re factually incorrect. They’re not “doing nothing.” They’re doing what they can as the minority in a majoritarian legislature - which isn’t a whole goddamned lot, but blaming them for not being able to effectively stop a majority is not exactly their fault.
And in the 117th Congress, they poured billions into the public coffers to deal with the economic devastation during COVID, they enshrined marriage equality into law, they expanded hate crime law. They tried for more, but undivided opposition from the Republicans, the clear political motivation of the Supreme Court and the unreliability of their slime majority hindered them. Blaming the whole of the Democratic Party is just not warranted.
I did, however.
Yes, when the entire party of over 150 fails to represent the people who elected them because of 10 traitors then that counts as a L for the whole party.
They need to stop letting Republicans into the Democratic party if they want cohesion.
That doesn’t even make sense. Those ten went with the majority. What was there for the one hundred forty to do?
So why have a democratic party if they are randomly going to break ranks to enable fascism.
Literally any time a bill comes along that will make regular people’s lives worse for the rich to benefit conveniently there’s always enough dem traitors to get it passed.
Because a party that is mostly against fascism is better than none that are at all? Which I should not to have to say.
How in the flying fuck are you defending this bullshit adherence to fascism? Please it is beyond pathetic.
Who needs enemy’s with friends like those 10…
Let me try it this way.
If those 10 can undo the actions of the rest, did they really do anything?
Exactly.
They are not powerless. They just have to fight dirty, which they should damn well be willing to do after watching the government get plundered for the last three months.
Filibuster what, exactly? Trump is doing all of this damage with executive orders.
He’s making wild power grabs by EO because they’re not being challenged - outside some judges blocking the most egregious overreaches.
Congress has the lion’s share of the government power - the purse string - if they choose to use it. Nothing moves or happens without money in America.
It’s even worse than that. Democrats forced a 15-day vote against Trump’s emergency executive order. The Republicans in Congress redefined the entire congressional calendar as a single day, just to avoid holding the vote. Every last Republican in Congress is complicit.
Source? I can’t find anything linking the legislative schedule to a snap change, just dry press releases of ‘here’s the planned calendar’ and official announcements.
https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hres211/BILLS-119hres211eh.pdf
On average, between 4,000 and 5,000 bills are considered in Congress every session.
Democrats should filibuster every one that makes it to the floor until Trump is out of office. Zero wins.
True, but Republicans haven’t brought a bill for a Senate vote this term as far as I’m aware. Have you seen a bill vote yet?
7 bills have passed the Senate, one has been signed into law: Congress.gov search
(note: the filter doesn’t include bills starting in the House, but there aren’t any relevant ones)
Also, the “Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2025” and “Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act” were “filibustered” (failed to reach cloture).
Nope, but I have seen the Democrats hand away their leverage and capitulate to fascists.
Hence point #1.
THIS is what a politician fighting to stop fascism looks like.
Not a press conference, not ‘barricading’ the door before meekly letting the DOGE lakeys in after they call the DC police, not Chuck fucking Schumer folding to Trump’s budget demands after the House stood tall and members in D+1 districts risked their position.
It’s still politics as usual for most of the leadership. Not ‘the fight to save our democracy’ like they campaigned and fundraised on.
Every single one of us fantasizes about stepping in front of a gun to save an innocent person. I even wanted to do that when I heard about an illegal ICE deportation less than 30 miles from me.
But fascist actors like DOGE sweep in like burglars, and run before you know they’re there. They remove livelihoods by E-mail. There’s nothing to stand in front of.
The Korean politicians literally put their lives on the line, and called the coup’s bluff by doing so. Posting on Twitter ‘man, Congress outta do something about that Doge’ when he is a Congressional leader while kicking the issue to the courts to ‘work it out’ is political theatre. Stand up, or step off Chuck.
yeah!
just like that time Chucky boy colluded with other dinos and handed republicans the best hand we had at striking back at the administration.
wait…
So, ten of forty-seven Democratic caucus members vote with Republicans on one bill and it constitutes the whole of the Democratic Party not doing anything, ever?
of 10 of the 47 can fuck us over without even a whimper from the other 37 they’re all rotten.
Have you not been hearing about the calls for Schumer to resign? About the mounting support for primary efforts?
I’ve heard. too little, too late. my trust in them is completely broken.
there’s like three of them that I could trust again, the rest are worse than maga republicans.
at least I can trust a magat to work against me. I can’t even trust democrats to work for me, so what good are they?
Hmmmm. One party will deport me for Tweeting about how much I hate Elon Musk.
The other is not doing things I refuse to specify and probably cannot actually identify to stop them from doing that.
These two options are the same.
if you see the world in such black and white terms you’re a part of the problem.
If you don’t see the difference, then you are the problem.
I want a democratic party that is as fully willing to ratfuck and obstruct all conservative efforts as the republicans have been for decades.
I want them to stop attempting to “reach across the aisle” to an enemy faction that would never be willing to do the same.
I want them to vote 100% against every single human garbage dump nominee that Trump puts in front of them.
I want them to have state police ready to clap the cuffs on Elon Musk as soon as her enters a state where he has broken the law.
I want them to stop playing defense and to start attacking for once, and I want them to do this as a unified front.
I want representatives that are willing to pull some South Korean shit and kick down doors on unelected DOGE stooges flinging shit inside our vital institutions.
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Are you ok with a fascist takeover? What do you want them to do? Roll over?
They want the people they voted out of power to suddenly gain all the power.