• iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    To play Devil’s advocate, the bottom one was offered a plea deal. That’s different than not pursuing the death penalty.

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      3 days ago

      To play Devil’s advocate, the bottom one was offered a plea deal.

      That’s kinda the point. Why wasn’t Mangione offered a plea deal?

      Also, why did the DOJ intervene and add the federal qualifier of “murder in furtherance of an act of terrorism” to Mangione’s charges in order to put the death penalty on the table (NY state doesn’t have the death penalty), but didn’t add it to the charges of the guy who murdered 23 Hispanic people specifically to terrorize the Hispanic community?

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        3 days ago

        Do we know that one wasn’t offered? I was under the impression that Luigi has been pretty set on fighting the charges from the get go.

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            3 days ago

            “Why was Luigi not offered a plea deal?” implies that you know that he was not offered a plea deal. I asked, do we know that? It would be news to me.

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              A valid answer to my question could be “you’re wrong, he was.” I’m fully open to being wrong. The fact that nobody mentioned that he was is a strong indicator that he wasn’t.

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                    Your question hangs upon, it requires, a condition which has not been proven true therefor you’re claiming the condition is true by asserting the question is valid.

                    Suggested changes in how you present the statement:

                    “Was Luigi offered a plea deal? If not, why?”

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        3 days ago

        Plea Deals don’t go to people pleading innocent. You don’t get leniency for dragging the judicial process out and costing the state and federal lots of time and money.

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          3 days ago

          Yes they do. You agree to change your plea to guilty in exchange for some guarantees regarding sentencing.

      • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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        3 days ago

        Plea deals are not unusual. It speeds up the process. Plus, not everyone approves of the death penalty, so a DA securing a plea deal by taking death off the table can even be favourable to some people.

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      3 days ago

      it is but the problem with playing devil’s advocate is that sometimes you actually advocate for the devil.

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        2 days ago

        Hardly the case here, they’re just pointing out facts, for those of us who prefer our righteous outrage guided by truth rather than carelessness.