Getting their base energized and angry about the current situation is doing a lot more than introducing a bill that has a 0.00% chance of getting passed. The chances of them talking to the high ranking party officials and getting them to reverse course probably has the same chance of success.
It helps to use your brain to actually think about the outcomes of actions. On the off chance that I’m just being an asshole, please let me know what is a better use of their time.
If another four years of Trump and the threat of project 2025 wasn’t enough to make these people do the bare minimum it would have taken to stop it, I honestly don’t see how a few empowered speeches will do more than jack-shit to motivate them.
I wish it were different, but we’re taking about a group of people who have a proven track record of stopping short of walking the walk.
You’re right it is much better for them to give up.
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Or the ok, or the mildly evil in this case.
What are you doing besides uselessly bitching and moaning about how others aren’t doing enough. Grow up, shit will never be perfect in the real world and we are on the edge of a fascist regime coup. Even if Bernie doesn’t do shit, getting that many people together is still a net positive compared to him voting on stuff or talking to people or introducing bills that will never pass just so morons think he is doing something better than rallies.
Getting large groups of people together repeatedly is the most important thing that can happen right now. Quit bitching and fucking do something.
lol… again. Gathering people in large groups is not an action. It’s just accumulation. VOTING is an action.
No mountain was moved moved because a bunch of people gathered at is base and shouted at it.
And I find it ironic that the advice you’re suggesting is the exact same thing I see presented to the far left/progressive do-nothings that sit at home and watch everyone else try and cast their votes to save their sorry asses, or wait until shit gets this bad before they mobilize into larger clusters of do-nothings to stand around and smugly criticize everyone that warned them this would fucking happen.
They helped make the bed. They can lie in it with the rest of us that didn’t.
The real irony is that currently there are not even local elections to be had where I am. I’m case you are new at voting, it’s not continuous. Saying the only action is voting is… Well if you haven’t gotten the point by now you are not going to.
I vote. I don’t just vote every 4 years either, and that didn’t just start with Trump. If you don’t understand that more action is required than just voting at this point you need to look up from whatever you have your head stuck in. We are already in uncharted territory and while the rallies are not perfect, they are better than doing nothing and sitting on your hands until the next election.
“They helped make the bed. They can lie in it with the rest of us that didn’t.”
Yes there are a lot of dumb fucks who seriously fucked up the election, and yeah they were wrong on so many levels. This isn’t about being right, or having superior principals. This is actually about survival. The collapse and changes will be violent, and we are so fucking close to changes you can’t even imagine. So grow up, stop complaining about how other people didn’t do enough. It is just a childishly small thing to get hung up on.
DO SOMETHING. Protect yourself, your family, your friends and those that can’t protect themselves.
lol. Naah. We’re done. It’s over. I’m just making sure that those responsible are able to see what they’ve done. See the damage they caused to so many people. They walked lockstep with the trumpers, and now they will suffer alongside them.
Best now to just make sure everyone can recognize them for who they are and properly lay the blame at their feet where it belongs.
I really hope you are a TURF account, I would have more faith in humanity at that point, at least that person is doing something.
I didn’t think you are. Your apathy, hate, and small world view combined with you ignorance in how bad situations can get and the privilege to think it can’t happen to you is really sad.
If you are dead set on lying in bed and doing nothing, please do that and shutt the fuck up. Don’t spread shit that only benefits the fascists just because you are to ideologically pure to do something.
I’m not lying in bed at all. Why do you need to edit my response to suit whatever nonsense point you need to make? If you’re going to participate in this, be on the level and stop with the straw man bullshit. If you have a problem with my perspective, argue against my perspective- not one you made up.
What I’m doing, is: simply saying that all these idiots that are crying about injustice and casting aspersions at everyone else… had their fucking chance to help stop this shit but they chose to feed their entitlement with a single issue refusal-to-vote protest.
And now that we have Trump- they all suddenly want to spring into action. Taking a moment to calling this bullshit out in no way indicates that I’m “lying in bed.” It just means that at the current moment- I’m on lemmy, calling out bullshit.
I sincerely hope I don’t need to explain to you that a person is able to do many things over the course of a few months.
My stand that there’s nothing they can be done is just pointing out that we are powerless to change what has happened. Trump is in. And no amount of yelling while holding signs will change that. You need the powers that be to intervene, and it’s the powers that be that are causing g the problem.
Essentially… You can’t appeal to evil to stop evil.
But hey… if you want to storm the castle? Be my guest. Just know that it’ll be a bloodbath, and in the end, nothing will have changed. And if it should make you feel better, go ahead and use whatever historical bullshit that happened decades/centuries ago to use as an argument against this- rest assured though… things are very, VERY different now.
And no amount of tea tossed into a harbor will change that.
That poor Bill, brought into the world because @MisterOwl thinks it’s better to have a useless, irrelevant stack of paper then to start solidifying a base of people to act as the real opposition party.
Cool. So what policy changes did they enact? None? Then who gives a fuck?
Action, not words, AOC. Action, not words, Bernie. Fucking stfu and DO something.
what have you been doing? besides typing on a keyboard at people
Getting their base energized and angry about the current situation is doing a lot more than introducing a bill that has a 0.00% chance of getting passed. The chances of them talking to the high ranking party officials and getting them to reverse course probably has the same chance of success.
It helps to use your brain to actually think about the outcomes of actions. On the off chance that I’m just being an asshole, please let me know what is a better use of their time.
If another four years of Trump and the threat of project 2025 wasn’t enough to make these people do the bare minimum it would have taken to stop it, I honestly don’t see how a few empowered speeches will do more than jack-shit to motivate them.
I wish it were different, but we’re taking about a group of people who have a proven track record of stopping short of walking the walk.
You’re right it is much better for them to give up.
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Or the ok, or the mildly evil in this case.
What are you doing besides uselessly bitching and moaning about how others aren’t doing enough. Grow up, shit will never be perfect in the real world and we are on the edge of a fascist regime coup. Even if Bernie doesn’t do shit, getting that many people together is still a net positive compared to him voting on stuff or talking to people or introducing bills that will never pass just so morons think he is doing something better than rallies.
Getting large groups of people together repeatedly is the most important thing that can happen right now. Quit bitching and fucking do something.
lol… again. Gathering people in large groups is not an action. It’s just accumulation. VOTING is an action.
No mountain was moved moved because a bunch of people gathered at is base and shouted at it.
And I find it ironic that the advice you’re suggesting is the exact same thing I see presented to the far left/progressive do-nothings that sit at home and watch everyone else try and cast their votes to save their sorry asses, or wait until shit gets this bad before they mobilize into larger clusters of do-nothings to stand around and smugly criticize everyone that warned them this would fucking happen.
They helped make the bed. They can lie in it with the rest of us that didn’t.
The real irony is that currently there are not even local elections to be had where I am. I’m case you are new at voting, it’s not continuous. Saying the only action is voting is… Well if you haven’t gotten the point by now you are not going to.
I vote. I don’t just vote every 4 years either, and that didn’t just start with Trump. If you don’t understand that more action is required than just voting at this point you need to look up from whatever you have your head stuck in. We are already in uncharted territory and while the rallies are not perfect, they are better than doing nothing and sitting on your hands until the next election.
“They helped make the bed. They can lie in it with the rest of us that didn’t.”
Yes there are a lot of dumb fucks who seriously fucked up the election, and yeah they were wrong on so many levels. This isn’t about being right, or having superior principals. This is actually about survival. The collapse and changes will be violent, and we are so fucking close to changes you can’t even imagine. So grow up, stop complaining about how other people didn’t do enough. It is just a childishly small thing to get hung up on.
DO SOMETHING. Protect yourself, your family, your friends and those that can’t protect themselves.
lol. Naah. We’re done. It’s over. I’m just making sure that those responsible are able to see what they’ve done. See the damage they caused to so many people. They walked lockstep with the trumpers, and now they will suffer alongside them.
Best now to just make sure everyone can recognize them for who they are and properly lay the blame at their feet where it belongs.
Because ALL of this was avoidable.
Now, there’s not much else to do about it.
I really hope you are a TURF account, I would have more faith in humanity at that point, at least that person is doing something.
I didn’t think you are. Your apathy, hate, and small world view combined with you ignorance in how bad situations can get and the privilege to think it can’t happen to you is really sad.
If you are dead set on lying in bed and doing nothing, please do that and shutt the fuck up. Don’t spread shit that only benefits the fascists just because you are to ideologically pure to do something.
I’m not lying in bed at all. Why do you need to edit my response to suit whatever nonsense point you need to make? If you’re going to participate in this, be on the level and stop with the straw man bullshit. If you have a problem with my perspective, argue against my perspective- not one you made up.
What I’m doing, is: simply saying that all these idiots that are crying about injustice and casting aspersions at everyone else… had their fucking chance to help stop this shit but they chose to feed their entitlement with a single issue refusal-to-vote protest.
And now that we have Trump- they all suddenly want to spring into action. Taking a moment to calling this bullshit out in no way indicates that I’m “lying in bed.” It just means that at the current moment- I’m on lemmy, calling out bullshit.
I sincerely hope I don’t need to explain to you that a person is able to do many things over the course of a few months.
My stand that there’s nothing they can be done is just pointing out that we are powerless to change what has happened. Trump is in. And no amount of yelling while holding signs will change that. You need the powers that be to intervene, and it’s the powers that be that are causing g the problem.
Essentially… You can’t appeal to evil to stop evil.
But hey… if you want to storm the castle? Be my guest. Just know that it’ll be a bloodbath, and in the end, nothing will have changed. And if it should make you feel better, go ahead and use whatever historical bullshit that happened decades/centuries ago to use as an argument against this- rest assured though… things are very, VERY different now.
And no amount of tea tossed into a harbor will change that.
“introducing a bill that has a 0.00% chance of getting passed” is Bernie’s function.
So he can look like the real leftist who is really trying.
Litmus tests for the rottenness of our overlords
Have you ever met this buddy of mine?
That poor Bill, brought into the world because @MisterOwl thinks it’s better to have a useless, irrelevant stack of paper then to start solidifying a base of people to act as the real opposition party.