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    We sort trash in 4 bins and one bag.

    1. Paper
    2. Glass and metal
    3. Bio, food waste
    4. General waste that doesn’t belong in the other bins.
    5. Isn’t a bin but a plastic bag for plastic.

    Lets say we didn’t have a bag specifically for plastic, that waste would have ended up in 4. Most of 4 is burned. By putting plastic in its own bag it increased the amount of plastic returned to waste management and reduced the amount left out in nature and burned.

    We’ve been dealt a shit hand, but we can try making the best out of the situation. Giving up isn’t an option.

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    The problem isn’t just recycling; it’s consumption. Also, aluminum still holds some value. What else is worth recycling?

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        Glass used to be washed and reused. It’s a lot more energy (and therefore greenhouse gases) to melt and reform into whatever.

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          Perhaps, but it’s 100% reusable as far as I’m aware. It can also be used for other things, such as roads, or even to help plants grow.

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          Supply for high quality white sand used for almost all glass making will be exhausted in 2037, according to British Geologist Michael Welland.

          There will be a point in the near future where recycling glass will be less expensive than sourcing high quality sand.

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      Paper, all metalls and glass. Collecting organic waste for either compost or, if your city does this, biogas plants is also good.

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      The highest value for the economy is cardboard recycling. Honestly, cardboard recycling creates a LOT of jobs. Companies get into bid wars trying to buy cardboard scrap to recycle.

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        Cellulose is generally recyclable but as I understand it degrades through each cycle, until it’s basically unfit for recycling and is more efficient to burn for energy.

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    the people who try to force the burden of a species worth of impact onto individuals are always just running cover for corporations n conglomerates; give them time to build society’s tolerance for bleakness and whatever industrial-scale crime they’re doing and internalise guilt for it before coming back to win the pr war and make money in some other slightly less evil way

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    Reuse repair and recycle are in this order for a reason.

    Companies should use recycle as a last resort. And especially should consider repair when producing items.

    However people buy cheap new shit more often than try to repair sth.

    Fuck consum economy

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      Some stuff has to be consumed, like food. And that’s a major problem with plastic. Plastic is being used to protect and preserve foods, but it’s also being used as a cheap binding for shipments.

      The right solution introduces an added logistic hurdle to send back packaging for reuse and to reprocess/clean that packaging.

      There is actually a way out of this, but marketers hate it. It’s standardized reusable containers and outlawing or severely limiting the use of plastic and inks for product distribution.

      Sure, it’d turn our grocery stores into a warehouse-like feel, but it would also make it easy and possible for reuse and recycle centers to process and redistribute packaging with very minimal waste.

      It’d also make it a lot harder for companies to play the shrinkflation game.

      Standardization like this does wonders.

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      Sometimes the only option is to buy the cheap shit too and it pisses me off. Theres so many times where I want a quality version of some tool or item and I can only find the item in cheap materials barely different than any other version. Ive started even designing my own stuff and going through sendcutsend or having it manufactured otherwise

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        Or there is only a cheap option or an option over 10x as expensive with no middle ground.

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    I think if we can’t convince people to reduce their consumption which is a Sisyphean effort, The next best step would be to try to convince manufacturers and packaging companies to switch over to either mostly cardboard or metal. Metal is almost infinitely recyclable, and cardboard once it reaches the end of its recyclable life span can be used as fertilizer and as a product for other things.

  • 𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆@lemmy.world
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    Not to mention how plastic recycling isn’t exactly easy anyway. Not all jurisdictions take all kinds of plastic. So you have to know what your recycling center can handle and what you’re tossing in or risk contamination.

    I go out of my way to buy things shipped in paper, glass, or metal containers. Even though steel and aluminum cans do have a little plastic in them, it’s far less plastic than containers made entirely of it.

    It would be nice if we could have more things sold in the bulk section so you can bring your own container. Like, if I could buy laundry detergent or shampoo using my own containers, that’d be sick.

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      My coffee shop used to take my own cup and they would fill that up. The pandemic hit and they stopped doing taking reusable cups. After the pandemic, they still aren’t taking cups. This just feels like corpo propaganda.

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    The problem is plastic can’t be broken down and reassembled forever. Recycling isn’t Lego. The focus should be finding ways to reuse something without altering it too much. But yeah it’s not gonna save the planet sadly.

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      I mean, plastic recycling is easy; burn it with filters, then put the filters in the hole where the oil came from. Then use a biodegradable replacement according to your needs.

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            But why put them in the hole? If you have no clean burning, the filter mostly gets carbon, which can be burned again. Some plastics like PVC release HCl, so you need to scrub that, but the result is harmless table salt. The biggest issue is formation of dioxins, so you need to have a high flame temperature to make sure everything burns clean. Otherwise dust etc. could contain heavy metals, but that is not directly from the plastic.

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              I mean, climate change is coal © we take out of reserves in the form of oil and gas (from times where climate was warmer) and then burn it with oxygen (O) to CO².
              Yes, plastic is a problem with pollution. But no matter how much we recycle it or if it rots away over centuries, hurting animals and poisoning environments: the end result is still that it is processed oil © out of a hole, contributing to greenhouse effect.

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      This is actually incorrect, you can absolutely break plastic into its basic constituents and create new plastic. But that costs more than simply using already existing oil.

      The cheaper downcycle method is roughly separating the plastics and using certain ones to make new items like plastic bags, buckets etc.

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        You can? I thought it deteriorates with every time that’s being done but maybe that’s just true for the methods that are economically viable.

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          The polymer decomposes when you heat it up, yes. But you can also start from scratch, so to speak. But that is a more involved process. The same way you can reuse steel or melt it completely new.

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    corporations only fuel what the consumer wants most.

    its humanities own greed ideologically refusing 20cents more for another packaging. best thing is how family and friends belittle you for investing 10% more into other products like that

    idc we are past 1,5° anyway, theres no hope really (sorry for looking so negative, im trying to be rational tho)

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    I mean, plastic recycling is easy; burn it with filters, put the filters in the hole where the oil came from.