It’s just really hard to comprehend for me. See, we get a new cancelor who is right wing, but would still be considered mild, maybe even Dem in US terms. And even I am active every single day. Especially before the elections. There is protests everywhere. Just a day ago a nazi leader decided to step down because of the huge counter protests.
And you sit there, literally watching picture perfect facism rise, and be like: “Ayo, watcha gonna do about it?!”
You are the forefront of the literal world to deny “Hitler but with a massive arsenal of mass destruction armory,” but you resignate. It’s insane.
There are massive protests all over the US. AOC/Bernie drawing huge crowds. Republicans chanting “tax the rich”.
Corporate media won’t give it the coverage it deserves, and mainstream social media will bury it with their algorithms. Because they’re all owned by the billionaires bowing to Trump.
They want you to feel like nobody’s doing anything. Remember that.
Hmmm are there? massive? I mean I know we all use that word lightly but “massive” they are not
AOC/Bernie drawing huge crowds
Yes, Americans love rallies… that is not a protest
Corporate media won’t give it the coverage it deserves, and mainstream social media will bury it with their algorithms. Because they’re all owned by the billionaires bowing to Trump.
While I agree with this, we can see car crashes happening in China… there are plenty of uncensored outlets that at least half the people of Lemmy would know to get/repost, etc. I have been asking for evidence of these protests myself for the last few weeks and I have not seen anything more than a couple dozen people by the doors of a Gov building… not even big enough for Police to be around
They want you to feel like nobody’s doing anything. Remember that.
Agreed… and the people of the USA are making that exceedingly easy by doing barely anything
Hmmm are there? massive? I mean I know we all use that word lightly but “massive” they are not
34,000 people for Sanders in Denver. Tell me with a straight face that this is a small number of people. “But relatively speaking-” hush. Big number is big.
…but yeah, pretty small compared to the number of people at, say, the Women’s March in 2017. I guess a lot of people learned a thing or two about what peaceful demonstrations can meaningfully accomplish against a police state. Still, nothing to sneeze at.
Yes, Americans love rallies… that is not a protest
Absolutely valid point here. The thing is, both Sanders and AOC have built their entire political careers on grassroots organizing, which is happening quietly alongside all the big speeches. Cory Doctorow has a good overview of this.
Sure, I’d much prefer to see spontaneous uprisings, but we’ve been in this hell for nearly a decade at this point. People are fucking burnt out. If AOC/Sanders is what it takes to bring in fresh blood, then so be it.
have been asking for evidence of these protests myself for the last few weeks and I have not seen anything more than a couple dozen people by the doors of a Gov building… not even big enough for Police to be around
Consider that sharing footage of a protest can put attendees in danger. Lots of emboldened brownshirt types would love to rat you out to the cops or your boss. Lemmy users are probably aware of this, which might be why you the only pics you see are from corporate media - those are already out there and a little traffic on Lemmy won’t make it much worse. See my original point about corporate media not covering the protests.
On that note: the people who showed up in 2017 and 2020 probably learnt this too. Maybe they’re now taking part in less visible/public actions that would be too dangerous to share indiscriminately? Who knows.
34,000 people for Sanders in Denver. Tell me with a straight face that this is a small number of people
No, I agree with you this is a large number (not huge considering the population of the USA but it’s a good amount)… the problem is that they went to a rally… I mean, it might as well be a concert. This is NOT a protest! If 30K people show up in DC or march somewhere, I would agree with you but they are just attending a rally
I regularly read about those huge crowds but anytime I check, it’s never more than 30.000 people. My country has less than a third of the US population and there were over a million protestors on the streets in one weekend because the center right voted with the far right on the same bill. There were over 80.000 people just in my city alone and our situation is not even remotely comparable to the things that have been happening in the USA.
I’m not trying to shit on anyone going out there to do something, but considering the circumstances it should be so much more. This is not an issue of the media not reporting enough. There were no huge reports ahead of the demonstrations in my country either. It just happened through social media and networking. After all that happened Americans are still not fed up enough. And if it doesn’t happen now, I’m not sure it ever will.
you’re aware that the democrats have enabled nearly all of trump’s agenda and neither bernie nor aoc are advocating for the democratic leadership to change course, right?
I think the “with a massive arsenal” is a big part of the problem for a lot of people. I am absolutely certain Trump, and most of his administration, wouldn’t think twice about using that arsenal against Americans. He would love that shit, frankly, and the vast majority of Republicans would cheer it on. Shit, they’re threatening to send people to El Salvador for misdemeanors because it’s hurting Elon’s fee-fees. How do you get people motivated to fight what feels like a completely futile battle when the danger isn’t really hypothetical and the odds of success are far from guaranteed?
Plenty of countries in similar states don’t rise up for many years because it takes that long for desperation to kick in, or there’s an initial fight that’s brutally put down and then those that are left put their heads down and focus on survival. Our first civil war happened on relatively even ground. This one would be so one-sided that it’s not even funny.
I don’t say this to discourage people or suggest we shouldn’t at least try to make a difference. But it is the reality and it’s something I’m struggling with. I don’t know how willing I am to die for a country I’m only sometimes welcome in.
It’s just really hard to comprehend for me. See, we get a new cancelor who is right wing, but would still be considered mild, maybe even Dem in US terms. And even I am active every single day. Especially before the elections. There is protests everywhere. Just a day ago a nazi leader decided to step down because of the huge counter protests.
And you sit there, literally watching picture perfect facism rise, and be like: “Ayo, watcha gonna do about it?!”
You are the forefront of the literal world to deny “Hitler but with a massive arsenal of mass destruction armory,” but you resignate. It’s insane.
There are massive protests all over the US. AOC/Bernie drawing huge crowds. Republicans chanting “tax the rich”.
Corporate media won’t give it the coverage it deserves, and mainstream social media will bury it with their algorithms. Because they’re all owned by the billionaires bowing to Trump.
They want you to feel like nobody’s doing anything. Remember that.
Hmmm are there? massive? I mean I know we all use that word lightly but “massive” they are not
Yes, Americans love rallies… that is not a protest
While I agree with this, we can see car crashes happening in China… there are plenty of uncensored outlets that at least half the people of Lemmy would know to get/repost, etc. I have been asking for evidence of these protests myself for the last few weeks and I have not seen anything more than a couple dozen people by the doors of a Gov building… not even big enough for Police to be around
Agreed… and the people of the USA are making that exceedingly easy by doing barely anything
34,000 people for Sanders in Denver. Tell me with a straight face that this is a small number of people. “But relatively speaking-” hush. Big number is big.
…but yeah, pretty small compared to the number of people at, say, the Women’s March in 2017. I guess a lot of people learned a thing or two about what peaceful demonstrations can meaningfully accomplish against a police state. Still, nothing to sneeze at.
Absolutely valid point here. The thing is, both Sanders and AOC have built their entire political careers on grassroots organizing, which is happening quietly alongside all the big speeches. Cory Doctorow has a good overview of this.
Sure, I’d much prefer to see spontaneous uprisings, but we’ve been in this hell for nearly a decade at this point. People are fucking burnt out. If AOC/Sanders is what it takes to bring in fresh blood, then so be it.
Consider that sharing footage of a protest can put attendees in danger. Lots of emboldened brownshirt types would love to rat you out to the cops or your boss. Lemmy users are probably aware of this, which might be why you the only pics you see are from corporate media - those are already out there and a little traffic on Lemmy won’t make it much worse. See my original point about corporate media not covering the protests.
On that note: the people who showed up in 2017 and 2020 probably learnt this too. Maybe they’re now taking part in less visible/public actions that would be too dangerous to share indiscriminately? Who knows.
No, I agree with you this is a large number (not huge considering the population of the USA but it’s a good amount)… the problem is that they went to a rally… I mean, it might as well be a concert. This is NOT a protest! If 30K people show up in DC or march somewhere, I would agree with you but they are just attending a rally
I regularly read about those huge crowds but anytime I check, it’s never more than 30.000 people. My country has less than a third of the US population and there were over a million protestors on the streets in one weekend because the center right voted with the far right on the same bill. There were over 80.000 people just in my city alone and our situation is not even remotely comparable to the things that have been happening in the USA.
I’m not trying to shit on anyone going out there to do something, but considering the circumstances it should be so much more. This is not an issue of the media not reporting enough. There were no huge reports ahead of the demonstrations in my country either. It just happened through social media and networking. After all that happened Americans are still not fed up enough. And if it doesn’t happen now, I’m not sure it ever will.
Its only 30k? You realize 2k were at the J6 insurrection? You can do a lot with 30k people in the right place at the right time, and thats the issue.
Not really the best example IMO. The J6 insurrection was a riot and not a demonstration. And it failed even though it was backed by the President.
It was an insurrection not a riot and it helped paint Trump as a victim which lead to his reelection. I wouldnt dismiss it as a failure at all.
you’re aware that the democrats have enabled nearly all of trump’s agenda and neither bernie nor aoc are advocating for the democratic leadership to change course, right?
I think the “with a massive arsenal” is a big part of the problem for a lot of people. I am absolutely certain Trump, and most of his administration, wouldn’t think twice about using that arsenal against Americans. He would love that shit, frankly, and the vast majority of Republicans would cheer it on. Shit, they’re threatening to send people to El Salvador for misdemeanors because it’s hurting Elon’s fee-fees. How do you get people motivated to fight what feels like a completely futile battle when the danger isn’t really hypothetical and the odds of success are far from guaranteed?
Plenty of countries in similar states don’t rise up for many years because it takes that long for desperation to kick in, or there’s an initial fight that’s brutally put down and then those that are left put their heads down and focus on survival. Our first civil war happened on relatively even ground. This one would be so one-sided that it’s not even funny.
I don’t say this to discourage people or suggest we shouldn’t at least try to make a difference. But it is the reality and it’s something I’m struggling with. I don’t know how willing I am to die for a country I’m only sometimes welcome in.