Nah that’s not what I was saying at all. It’s just a hamfisted straw man you’re using. What I was actually saying is that not only would’ve USSR defeated the nazis on their own, what the west accomplished was a net negative for the world. Had US not gotten itself involved, then Europe would’ve almost certainly have become communist. There wouldn’t have been wars in Vietnam and Korea, Afghanistan, and many other horrors the empire continues to enact, and we wouldn’t be living in capitalist hell in the west today.
No, we are not dealing with alternative history. We are dealing with the history of what the west proceeded to do after the war ended. If you’re going to talk about how many people died then you have to include all the people that the west brutally massacred during the Cold War and continues to massacre today. Because your claim is that the world order that arose out of US participating in the war was a net positive. Let me know if you need me to use smaller words to help you understand this.
Once again, you made a claim that the less people died because the US participated in the war. And I simply pointed out that the world order that formed from that resulted in far greater human suffering. Nobody is talking about any alternative histories here. We are talking about the actual history of western depravities that followed in the wake of WW2. Let me know if that’s still unclear to you.
Let me put it this way. Why don’t you lay out your detailed plan to change things. An actual plan including names of candidates who could win elections in America in 2026.
Because if you don’t have something like that, all your doing is playing imaginary games.
My actual plan is to sit back and to watch your country tear itself apart so that the rest of the world can finally breathe. If Americans actually wanted to change things for the better they’d be joining orgs like PSL and building a mass worker movement the way people of Bolivia did with MAS. Instead, you’re still bleating about elections within your oligarch owned system.
Nah that’s not what I was saying at all. It’s just a hamfisted straw man you’re using. What I was actually saying is that not only would’ve USSR defeated the nazis on their own, what the west accomplished was a net negative for the world. Had US not gotten itself involved, then Europe would’ve almost certainly have become communist. There wouldn’t have been wars in Vietnam and Korea, Afghanistan, and many other horrors the empire continues to enact, and we wouldn’t be living in capitalist hell in the west today.
Sorry. I thought we were dealing with getting stuff done now.
I didn’t realize you wanted to talk about alternate history.
My mistake.
No, we are not dealing with alternative history. We are dealing with the history of what the west proceeded to do after the war ended. If you’re going to talk about how many people died then you have to include all the people that the west brutally massacred during the Cold War and continues to massacre today. Because your claim is that the world order that arose out of US participating in the war was a net positive. Let me know if you need me to use smaller words to help you understand this.
That’s not relevant to getting things done now.
The actual history is that Stalin wanted help form the US and took it. Anything else is alternate history.
If you want to talk about getting power away from Trump, I’m interested. Otherwise, have a nice night.
Once again, you made a claim that the less people died because the US participated in the war. And I simply pointed out that the world order that formed from that resulted in far greater human suffering. Nobody is talking about any alternative histories here. We are talking about the actual history of western depravities that followed in the wake of WW2. Let me know if that’s still unclear to you.
What the west is currently doing in the world today is actually very much relevant to getting things done now.
Let me put it this way. Why don’t you lay out your detailed plan to change things. An actual plan including names of candidates who could win elections in America in 2026.
Because if you don’t have something like that, all your doing is playing imaginary games.
My actual plan is to sit back and to watch your country tear itself apart so that the rest of the world can finally breathe. If Americans actually wanted to change things for the better they’d be joining orgs like PSL and building a mass worker movement the way people of Bolivia did with MAS. Instead, you’re still bleating about elections within your oligarch owned system.