I’m honestly not sure. They arrested a buff Italian American who was justifiably unhappy with the us healthcare system, but I don’t know if it’s the right one.
I don’t trust cops not to plant evidence, so everything they report they found on him is moot for me; the eyebrows don’t look the same to me (though both are bushy); and there’s a markedly different level of planning and professionalism that went into the shooting and the purported escape plan.
Regarding the organizational differences: he 3d prints an untraceable gun and then brings it with him over state lines!? If he thinks he’ll need a gun after the fact, just make another, he’s literally got (access to) a printer. It’s probably smarter to use a different design or just get a normal gun, just don’t use it for the shooting. It’s wild to me that he went to all the trouble of getting an untraceable weapon, only to not use the most significant benefit of that by dumping the weapon at/close to the scene. What was the point? They don’t keep ballistic signatures of registered guns on file unless they’ve already been implicated in a crime, so if you plan to keep the gun anyway, just use that.
Of course, he could have panicked and/or gone into shock afterwards and scuppered his plan. That’s not impossible or even super unlikely, which is why I’m not sure one way or the other. Though I really don’t see a match on the eyebrows
I think, frankly, it’s fair to point out that an intelligent engineer thinking about doing this sort of thing would almost certainly devise a way to destroy the printed gun after the fact, and that such a thing could be easily done in a half hour with a MAPP torch and a spare bottle or two. It’s resin. It will melt. And any remaining metallic parts can be easily ditched in some random storm drain at some point in the hundreds of miles between where the adjustment occurred and where the other Mario brother was arrested. And to conveniently keep a manifesto on your person in that context just seems comically implausible. Based on that, in addition to other data points, I am reasonably confident that he is in fact an innocent man being railroaded.
And to conveniently keep a manifesto on your person in that context just seems comically implausible. Based on that, in addition to other data points, I am reasonably confident that he is in fact an innocent man being railroaded.
Honestly, I’ve been thinking along similar lines. None of this makes sense outside of a guy being railroaded.
And one that reads like someone who’s trying too hard to sound smart, which isn’t something actually smart people do, but apparently is how cops often sound in their reports
Thermite is cheap and easy to make. Melt a gun with half a pound of thermite and no one will know what it was before it was vaporized. Besides, if the gun was indeed 3D printed and had no finger prints or DNA on it, you could just drop it on top of the body and let the police have it. Better than getting caught with it a block away from the crime scene.
Yeah, 100% I think he would have a deadman’s switch on an online post for a manifesto, given his past. If he were planning to go completely underground without internet access, I don’t think he would have gone to a McDonald’s so soon afterwards. Again, he could have panicked, but by all accounts, he’d spent the last few months living rough, so that wouldn’t be a shock for him.
That’s the part that bugs me the most. It’s not just that he had a hard copy, it’s not just that he had it on hand, it’s that he had a hard copy on hand. The point of a manifesto isn’t to let it sit in your car next to the murder weapon you used 3 days ago, the point is to have other people read it.
He’s an apparently intelligent and articulate software engineer… and he keeps a hard copy… of his manifesto… on his person…? Knowing it would be wildly incriminating? Like, come on. Also, the tone and diction of “his” manifesto seems a liiiiiiiiiittle off to me compared to written correspondences he’s had with people since being imprisoned that have been posted online.
TL;DR I don’t buy what the NY DA is selling here, for a LOT of reasons.
But you see, he kind of looks like another guy that was caught on a surveillance camera the same morning. Another guy, who was wearing visibly different clothes from the shooter
What I think about whether Luigi Mangione is guilty or not is that the health insurance industry is responsible for apocalyptic levels of suffering and death and literally everyone in the United States is a victim of AT LEAST the constant psychological torture of being programmed to value their wealth over their lives when every single one of them knows that it is an active choice by avaricious executives and shareholders to sacrifice their well-being and that of their families and loved ones for the continued wealth accumulation of those executives and shareholders not to mention the actual suffering and death that results of the deliberate, conscious, informed choice by those in power to withhold healthcare in order to extract profit from the most vulnerable at the cost of their very lives.
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I’m honestly not sure. They arrested a buff Italian American who was justifiably unhappy with the us healthcare system, but I don’t know if it’s the right one.
I don’t trust cops not to plant evidence, so everything they report they found on him is moot for me; the eyebrows don’t look the same to me (though both are bushy); and there’s a markedly different level of planning and professionalism that went into the shooting and the purported escape plan.
Regarding the organizational differences: he 3d prints an untraceable gun and then brings it with him over state lines!? If he thinks he’ll need a gun after the fact, just make another, he’s literally got (access to) a printer. It’s probably smarter to use a different design or just get a normal gun, just don’t use it for the shooting. It’s wild to me that he went to all the trouble of getting an untraceable weapon, only to not use the most significant benefit of that by dumping the weapon at/close to the scene. What was the point? They don’t keep ballistic signatures of registered guns on file unless they’ve already been implicated in a crime, so if you plan to keep the gun anyway, just use that.
Of course, he could have panicked and/or gone into shock afterwards and scuppered his plan. That’s not impossible or even super unlikely, which is why I’m not sure one way or the other. Though I really don’t see a match on the eyebrows
I think, frankly, it’s fair to point out that an intelligent engineer thinking about doing this sort of thing would almost certainly devise a way to destroy the printed gun after the fact, and that such a thing could be easily done in a half hour with a MAPP torch and a spare bottle or two. It’s resin. It will melt. And any remaining metallic parts can be easily ditched in some random storm drain at some point in the hundreds of miles between where the adjustment occurred and where the other Mario brother was arrested. And to conveniently keep a manifesto on your person in that context just seems comically implausible. Based on that, in addition to other data points, I am reasonably confident that he is in fact an innocent man being railroaded.
Honestly, I’ve been thinking along similar lines. None of this makes sense outside of a guy being railroaded.
A manifesto that praises the police
And one that reads like someone who’s trying too hard to sound smart, which isn’t something actually smart people do, but apparently is how cops often sound in their reports
A manifesto that sounds like someone asked chatGPT to generate a short manifesto expressing displeasure at the American healthcare system
I’m of the opinion that he’s ethier being railroaded or they used something very illegal to find him.
Thermite is cheap and easy to make. Melt a gun with half a pound of thermite and no one will know what it was before it was vaporized. Besides, if the gun was indeed 3D printed and had no finger prints or DNA on it, you could just drop it on top of the body and let the police have it. Better than getting caught with it a block away from the crime scene.
All fair points. And it’s further illustrating the fact that something is very fucking fishy
Yeah, 100% I think he would have a deadman’s switch on an online post for a manifesto, given his past. If he were planning to go completely underground without internet access, I don’t think he would have gone to a McDonald’s so soon afterwards. Again, he could have panicked, but by all accounts, he’d spent the last few months living rough, so that wouldn’t be a shock for him.
Right??? Who the fuck would keep a hard copy on hand…? Like… what…?
That’s the part that bugs me the most. It’s not just that he had a hard copy, it’s not just that he had it on hand, it’s that he had a hard copy on hand. The point of a manifesto isn’t to let it sit in your car next to the murder weapon you used 3 days ago, the point is to have other people read it.
He’s an apparently intelligent and articulate software engineer… and he keeps a hard copy… of his manifesto… on his person…? Knowing it would be wildly incriminating? Like, come on. Also, the tone and diction of “his” manifesto seems a liiiiiiiiiittle off to me compared to written correspondences he’s had with people since being imprisoned that have been posted online.
TL;DR I don’t buy what the NY DA is selling here, for a LOT of reasons.
I’m pretty sure Luigi isn’t reading this. So you can keep your imaginary conversations with him in your head if you like.
Nah, the video’s super inconclusive.
Innocent.
But you see, he kind of looks like another guy that was caught on a surveillance camera the same morning. Another guy, who was wearing visibly different clothes from the shooter
You’ve convinced me.
Dang it.
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What I think about whether Luigi Mangione is guilty or not is that the health insurance industry is responsible for apocalyptic levels of suffering and death and literally everyone in the United States is a victim of AT LEAST the constant psychological torture of being programmed to value their wealth over their lives when every single one of them knows that it is an active choice by avaricious executives and shareholders to sacrifice their well-being and that of their families and loved ones for the continued wealth accumulation of those executives and shareholders not to mention the actual suffering and death that results of the deliberate, conscious, informed choice by those in power to withhold healthcare in order to extract profit from the most vulnerable at the cost of their very lives.
Nah man, dude was at my place that night.