The U.S. is eyeing Greenland while Russia continues to carve up Ukraine. I believe the US will place soldiers on Greenland in an attempt to annex it. I think it will likely happen before Trump’s term ends.

If (hopefully not when) the U.S. pressures Ukraine into accepting a bad deal with both Washington and Moscow for “peace”, will they leverage that outcome—along with the Greenland situation—to further erode European sovereignty?

Europe cannot realistically fend off the US on Greenland? And certainly not while being pressured by both Russia and the US on different fronts? I am so fucking glad Europe got nukes.

  • slag@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    20·
    2 days ago

    Ignoring the practicality of achieving it for a moment, acquiring Greenland and Canada gives an allied Russia and US near full control of the Arctic Ocean corridors. Most of us spend our time staring at 2D Mercator-esque maps, so I highly recommend taking a look at things from the top down to appreciate this:

    Also see: https://geology.com/world/arctic-ocean-map.shtml

    I think it’s best to consider that this is a long term play for control of the Arctic. Sea ice very much remains a factor, but the amount is shrinking every year due to global warming. Over time this opens up new seasonal routes, both for drilling and transport.

    Sure, it could just be Trump’s narcissism wanting him to add another state during his presidency. The thing to remember is that someone else is always the one giving him these ideas. (see: Project 2025) These imperialistic ambitions on Greenland and Canada of all places did not emerge from nowhere. It’s the motives of people who are giving him these ideas that you need to be concerned with.

    Svalbard is next.

  • MrMobius @sh.itjust.works
    172·
    3 days ago

    The US won’t annex Greenland, that would basically make a pariah of them on the international scene. Like Russia there would be economic sanctions, trade deals would be broken, american assets abroad would be seized and this could include american military bases. So yeah, most likely the US governmint is gonna keep acting like a childish bully trying to drive a wedge between Greenland and Denmark. And maybe between every european nations…

      • shaggyb@lemmy.world
        161·
        3 days ago

        I see your point, but it’s all talk right now. There’s still US military everywhere, the dollar is still strong, McDonald’s is still selling hamburgers, people are still watching Hollywood movies and TV shows and still subscribing to Netflix.

        I’m not saying actual shunning and sanctioning of America can’t happen, but we’re absolutely nowhere near it right now. People are just yelling, and mostly on the internet.

        Tesla is getting hit, but they’re only one company.

        An actual boycott of America as a whole would be a massive lifestyle change for huge portions of the world and that kind of scale is not where we are at this moment. We’re all just bloviating.

    • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
      8·
      2 days ago

      Nah the next president of the USA would just get the nobel peace price for not being Trump lol. Remember Iraq and Afghanistan?

  • jollyrogue@lemmy.ml
    12·
    3 days ago

    The plan Putin and Xi have is probably to get the US mired in conflicts with Mexico and Canada, which would leave Europe isolated and more willing to deal with Russia. Russia has a lot of energy reserves, and they want to use them as leverage against Europe. Control of Ukraine energy reserves should be a top priority for Russia.

    The US is sending lots of oil/ng over to Europe to make cutting off Russian oil feasible. Without US oil, Europe is going to have a hard time functioning, and they would have to start talking with the Russians.

  • WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    16·
    3 days ago

    I presume yes.

    Trump’s US and Putin’s Russia are natural ideological allies - both oligarchic and autocratic kleptocracies dominated by quasi-religious moralism and repression, militaristic imperialism and white supremacism and both warped and corrupted to the benefit of the wealthiest few.

    Western Europe, with a greater (if still less than optimum) focus on egalitarianism, social welfare, equality of justice, international cooperation and respect for the law, is the natural ideological enemy of both.

    So yes - I believe the long term goal is for a US/Russia alliance to go to war against and devastate western Europe, to destroy the EU and NATO and essentially bring Europe into the fold, to build a globe-encircling empire of corruption, oppression and malfeasance -a modern-day feudal system with the wealthy few (individuals and corporations) as the new nobility and the people - American, Russian and European alike - reduced to the status of serfs.

  • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    3 days ago

    The US already has soldiers on Greenland as part of the Space Farce Force. I’m sure you mean an occupying force though, and that voting block tends to be isolationist but they also change on a whim ao who knows.

    I can’t see popular support for war efforts to invade other countries to expand US territory going over well. I also see a huge blowback from NATO and while the US has a lot of range the main reason for it to project that is because our two massive borders are currently friendly nations. If the US pisses off NATO, it would need to defend all the borders at the same time because Mexico might not be part of NATO but it sure wouldn’t have our back.

    We can beat up small middle eastern countries, but that is also because there isn’t a multinational counteroffensive. Plus Russia has blown their cover on just how shitty and incompetent their military actually is, so while they could do a lot of damage with wave tactics, they are already so desperate for human wave fodder that they hit up North Korea.

    Russia might cause truble, but it won’t be carving anything up. The US is going to shoot itself in the dick if it pisses off NATO because the public hates long, drawn out wars.

    The US and Russia might try anyway, but it won’t be something they win.

  • Iceblade@lemmy.world
    24·
    3 days ago

    No, I highly doubt that. For one, it isn’t feasible. A declaration of war wouldn’t make it through congress, and is highly unlikely that the US military would actually execute such orders.

    The primary purpose of Trumps posturing - at least in my analysis - is a retarded way of intimidating EU countries into militarization to enable shifting US troops to other theatres (Middle East, Asia).

    • treadful@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      I’m with you. I refuse to believe the American machinery would allow us to attack an ally any time soon. A lot would need to change.

    • uienia@lemmy.world
      51·
      3 days ago

      That’s not it at all. You are making it sound like the narcissistic moron is playing 5d chess.

      • Iceblade@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 days ago

        Idk if I’d call it 5d chess, more like a showman that uses drama with the intent of social manipulation without any scruples. That’s how he managed to win both the 2016 & 2024 elections.

  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
    34·
    3 days ago

    The U.S. is eyeing Greenland

    I believe that the Great Tricktator is already determined to rob it. Question is only, how, that means, which exact tactic he is going to apply.

    I am so fucking glad Europe got nukes.

    The Cold War is over. We live in very different times now. Try to understand it.

    to further erode European sovereignty?

    This whole situation is not about Europe. Europe is a mere nuisance.