A reminder about your rights. If the government can declare you to have an attribute that negates your rights, then you have no rights.
In laymen’s terms, if ICE arrests you and fast deports you, whose going to stop them? Okay but you get to a consulate in the foreign country and get back home. When you come out of your lawyer’s office (because you’re suing ICE), ICE arrests you again, this time as a criminal illegal alien because you came back in. They tell no one they have you, they tell no one where you are. You have no rights according to them. You are sent to an El Salvadoran prison in contravention of a court order not to deport you.
These are all things that have happened separately. We’ve accidently deported Americans. We’ve deported Americans on purpose. (Trump sent American kids away so he could deport their parents too) We’ve deported someone to an El Salvadoran prison in contravention of a court order.
If they don’t have rights, then neither do you because the government can just declare you a member of that group and as long as the guys with guns maintain that fiction, nobody can stop them.
This is also why the attacks on identification documentation for transgender people should concern everyone. We used to consider ex post facto laws unconstitutional - even things like sex registry acts have been historically controversial because they were adding a punishment that had not been previously ordained.
I spent $5500 that I could not afford (as in, I ended up having to do sex work to pay for it) - to get my “irreversible and permanent” surgery that the state I lived in said would qualify to have my legal sex changed. Like, I would have preferred to wait until I was in a more financially stable situation or might not have even bothered because I didn’t even really need to bind to pass - but the drivers license with an “F” is a problem once you have a full beard.
I followed their rules, I played their games. And now they get to say, nope, doesn’t count anymore. That’s not how the law is supposed to work.
I’m so sorry, I don’t think we live in a country subject to rule of law anymore though.
I’ve gotten the excuse to read both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution itself, out loud, with teenagers several times recently. Jefferson was a hypocrite and fuckwit that made money off of the back of child labor and raped the women he owned, but those words do have meaning. Any government calling itself the US that does not heed those words is not legitimate.
Yeah legitimacy is a thing so many people don’t understand. And it’s why they want to cloak their actions on official language and procedure. We would riot if they just disappeared people. So they make it seem like they aren’t just doing that.
definition of a bad actor right there.
People like her argue in bad faith.
Shun and ostracize people like her.
Remove them from your civil social circles.
Only side eye!
That about sums it up. They don’t believe the outgroup deserves rights. But if the outgroup doesn’t have rights nobody does, they’re just privileges that can be taken away at any time
And, it should be noted, the purpose of due process includes to check if these people are breaking any rules and if they’re supposed to be here as well as if they’re citizens.
The rule of law…or even the Constitution of the United States…is what they say it is. Their rules, they make up the law to suit what they’ve already done. The constitution, courts, legal code, hell…even the Bible, can get fucked. They’re all petty kings, judge, and jury rolled up into one.
All of that without grasping that they, themselves- are members of an outgroup that won’t always have influence. Assuming democracy can make a come back and something changes in the next election they may find themselves in that “unpopular” group. Bet they’d change their tune for the 37th time in that case.
Annie got a gun but not a brain. Without the right to due process for EVERYONE, the state can just snatch anyone they want off the street and claim the person they snatched is a member of a group that isn’t entitled to due process. The person, even if they are a citizen, will have no hearing or trial, no right to contact anyone, and be whisked away to a secret prison labor camp or even a death camp. Hey Annie, I’m from the government and I’ve decided you look like a foreigner. No phone calls, no judge, no jury, straight to the camp with you. #Fascism #PoliceState #MagaIdiot
We would have taken all of this a lot more seriously if we broadly understood that this group doesn’t seek outcomes.
I know it seems loaded, but it solves so much of our bafflement. They don’t care about outcomes, they don’t want solutions or leadership or policies or better futures for themselves or anyone else.
They’re just mad and stupid and the left did nothing to manage and redirect this toddlerish rage and incompetence, instead we pretended the system was fair and the idiots wouldn’t have power because how could they. Naive and foolish on both sides.
If we worked harder to give these people better stories and targets to hate (hint: the rich really don’t want a class war) then maybe they would have made better choices.
Yeah argue with one long enough and they basically just admit they don’t care what happens what they love is “owning the libs” the more facts you show them that they can not respond to the more they think they are pissing you off and the more they get their rocks off. 100% they could not care less about any of the things they claim to revere, like the Constitution. Literally the only thing that makes them change their mind is when they realize the policies they voted for apply to them too.
One of my friends adult daughter is fully disabled mentally and physically and my friend can not even work the state pays her to be a caregiver for her child. They100% lives on state support programs. She voted for Trump, I told her before hand she is shooting everyone in the foot and shooting herself in the face with that vote,. She said she disagreed and things will get better for her that she is tired of liberals and “their immigrants” (???) taking part of the tax money that should be going to her and others like her. I was completely dumbfounded. I told her that is completely fabricated BS from Trump and it does not work that way but she told me I did not know what I was talking about, Trump wouldn’t just lie about this stuff… yeah. She said THAT.
Now she is telling me how she is so scared they are going to cut her benefits after all the targeting of Social Security and that she felt so betrayed and she thought there was no way Trump would betray his voters like this and there was no way she could have known Trump would have done something this terrible… I had to look at her and ask how she could have NOT known when I fucking told her multiple times. She finally realized after I said that that I was right. So she knows and will admit she was wrong now. None of my other friends have been affected yet but having talked to them none of them will change their minds until it hurts them or their family directly. Most of them are good enough friends they even admit that they don’t care (or even pay attention to) what Trump does as long as it is pissing off the liberals they are happy. At least the first friend realized she was dumb about politics. She told me from now on she was just going to ask me who to vote for… she is getting smarter about it at least.
She told me from now on she was just going to ask me who to vote for… she is getting smarter about it at least.
Really? I couldn’t handle that. She’s a fucking adult; she should be able to learn critical thinking skills and make her own informed decisions! I’d be down to talk about the issues, but if somebody said “Just tell me how to fill out my ballot”, I’d feel sorry for them and I couldn’t do it. She’s gotta take responsibility for her own actions.
I agree. But at least she knows she’s ignorant and isn’t Dunning Kruger-ing it like everyone else.
True, in an ideal world everything you say is correct. But too many people would rather die than think about what they do. And they are used by monsters like Krasnov to inflict misery on the rest of us. I’d just skip the discussions- which wouldn’t do anything other than waste your time anyway- and tell her how to vote. Someone so irresponsible as this person really needs to be guided.
This story reminds me of another point I want to touch on about this all.
When you believe in a thing you know isn’t real, it’s called cognitive dissonance. It’s easy to recognize in people who have supernatural or religious beliefs, but we all do this all day long about a thousand different things.
Cognitive dissonance is not a bug in human cognition, it’s a part of our architecture. We are not reasonable, logical beings. We have brains that do one thing and one thing only: write stories to explain our feelings. Nearly every major societal issue comes from this fact, from international wars to your own struggles with anxiety and depression.
I don’t know if it’s universal, but it seems a common memory many of us have about arguing with our friend who was convinced that WWF wrestling was real. They know that weapons and necromancy are probably not allowed in a real sport, but they also feel so strongly attached to the storyline that they also believe it’s real.
Our species is very, very good at holding ideas we know are untrue on some level. When you don’t have good language skills and can’t take complex ideas and make them abstract using language inside your head, you lack the ability to properly analyze an idea and have any critical thought about it. Language is our key to escape cognitive dissonance and we are being deliberately stripped of this power with a million different distractions. Social media that feeds us imagery and sounds with minimal interaction, AI that does your writing and reading for you. As well as of course, games and other electronic entertainment.
These aren’t bad things on their own, but we’re also being swamped with agendas and grifters and oligarchs who want split out the people most susceptible to influence in this way, providing them with stories that their brains can latch onto to explain their misery or pain. They may know that say, trans kids aren’t the reason that they’re broke, overworked and suffering, but it feels good to have a target who can’t hurt you. If you’re not really paying attention to what you’re thinking about what you feel, you can easily believe a hundred contradictory things.
And once they realize that it’s okay, that you CAN in fact believe in things that are objectively untrue, but you will get people supporting you and praising for believing that thing, you won’t let it go, your brain will even double-down and strengthen that pathway.
We have to get better about understanding our vulnerabilities, because there are systems coming online that are going to be even better at twisting our motivations and thinking.
Ok I know it’s not what your comment is about, but there is necromancy in WWF? How cool. I need to look into it.
This fits into my theory that conservatives have an organic brain dysfunction that damages the ability of conservatives to have empathy. Because conservatives only give a shit about bad things happening when those things happen to them or to people they love.
The rich already have the class war. They just want to make sure we don’t find out they’re the ones attacking. I remember some rich lady journalist put out some opinion piece warning the working class against seeking a class war, and to just keep fighting the culture wars.
Yeah, Alice Thomson wrote this for The Times back in July of last year, bitching about how the candidates in the UK Parliament elections were touting their working class roots.
This is why US concentration camps are in Guntanamo Bay and El Salvador
Without due process, we have no way to know for sure if they are ‘illegal aliens’ or just citizens with the wrong [fill in the blank].
It states all ‘persons’ not all citizens. It comes off as them not knowing this. Blatant ignorance of the constitution.
“Don’t care.”
Not just blatantly ignorant, willfully choosing to ignore the Constitution even when confronted with it.
Probably a White House official then
When your knowledge of the constitution is based on vibes.
“The new trend ‘Vibe Governing’ is sweeping the nation as lawmakers just ask racist AIs with no knowledge of the bills they’re actually writing”
I… I did not have “Idiot politicians backed by bigoted LLMs” on my 2025 bingo card. This way too plausible to be ignored. So… thanks?
What’s embarrassing here is that I’ve been saying “co-bots not robots” for a while now. But no, not like that.
why are we still pretending that an online argument is going to solve anything?
guns
The problem is this is the same answer as the party in power and their cock-slurping media. Bits of paper don’t matter if their mandates aren’t enforced by anyone.
All she cares about it herself
She only cares about the 2nd amendment.
Ate the onion. People don’t care about logic and facts any more.
@AnnieGotAGun_1 does not seem like a parody account
Trump and MAGA piss around somewhere, liberals post about it outraged and protesting.
Meanwhile Trump and MAGA piss around somewhere new, liberals post about it outraged and protesting.
Then, Trump and MAGA… well you get it. They are pissers. It’s what they do. Pissing you off is what MAGAts crave. Posts like OP is what they want the whole internet to be full of.
Hence, you ate the onion, you took something seriously that was not meant to be serious. (Doesn’t meant there shouldn’t be resistance).
I think it’s more accurate that they fed the troll. Eating the onion specifically refers to reacting seriously to a parody news source.
Rhetorical, just FYI. I’m an American in Germany and I’ve literally never met a native German speaker who wasn’t a linguistics professor who didn’t say “rethoric” though, so it’s not a big mistake at all. I do wonder if there was a misprint in a popular textbook or something though, because it’s weirdly consistent, even more so than I would expect from a word with a silent (in German) h somewhere.
It’s a lot more unusual to have an h after an r than an h after a t, even in German. So if you vaguely remember there’s supposed to be an h somewhere, it intuitively makes more sense after the t.
In German, “th” is uncommon (non-existent?) in words that aren’t overtly borrowed from Latin/Greek, so you get overcompensation like “Ethymologie”. “Rhythmus” trips me up every time.
Yeah, that’s definitely a reason for it, but it’s always this word. I don’t recall a German saying ethymology or rhytmic, but this is probably the most common mistake I’ve noticed among C1-C2 English speakers here. The other one might be German mtg players saying “viscera” with the accent on the e, but that’s probably because of a popular YouTuber who influenced local game store culture.
This is the first time in my life I’ve seen it spelled “rethorical” and I’ve never heard it said that way. I’m in a particularly stupid part of the US but I’ve travelled most of the country.
Do you hang out with a lot of native German speakers? They’re the ones who do it ime, not native English speakers, and probably not nonnative speakers who live in anglophone countries for a while or who went to anglophone schools.
I’m sorry, I misunderstood.
